Trading or Training Reputation? Mistyped?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

This is the date for game 1 of the world series. I am the Red Sox and Valerde is on my post-season roster. And I would never make this trade.

Are you able to complete the trade?

Are you in Commish mode by any chance?

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Are you able to complete the trade?



Are you in Commish mode by any chance?

The force trade button is there, so that would be in commish mode. And yeah, that lets you get around most of the checks like that when there would be restricted trading.

[Bluenoser]

Thanks Matt, thought I was losing my mind. I knew there had to be a reason he could make trades when trading wasn't permitted.

For Bobfather - please indicate in the future when you're in Commish Mode. This makes a BIG difference as it allows you to bypass most rules. Take yourself out of Commish Mode and you won't be able to complete trades until the off season starts.

[Bobfather]

Commish mode is OFF.

[Bluenoser]

It wasn't off in the first image because the second image doesn't have the Force trade option available.

So you must have turned it off between the taking of the 2 images.

So have you clicked "Complete Trade" to see if it will process?

Also, what is your trade deadline set at in league setup?

[Bobfather]

I had to change players in trade so neither team loses anyone significant. Also, see my trade settings/rules. The third image shows the date of the world series same date as the other images.
Can someone at least try to duplicate this?

[Bluenoser]

Not sure what else to check for. You shouldn't be able to complete trades until the off season starts, which is the day after the WS ends.

I don't want to say there's a bug, but something seems amiss.

[tonnage]

My question is how the heck do you go 156 and 4? That must be an all-time OOTP record methinks.

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

You'll like the new "Trading Hard Mode" then

Hmm. . . trading is one of my favorite things in the game. Interested to see how it's implemented and if, as is usually a good option for any new feature, can it be toggled.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Hmm. . . trading is one of my favorite things in the game. Interested to see how it's implemented and if, as is usually a good option for any new feature, can it be toggled.

Everything can be toggled

We'll expand on things a little more in the next couple weeks. You can always keep things the same as they are now, but the new deadline/hard mode/reputation setups definitely will shake things up if you want them to.

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by tonnage

My question is how the heck do you go 156 and 4? That must be an all-time OOTP record methinks.

PEE Performance Enhanced Editing. But I stopped 5 seasons ago. My life has really hit bottom the last few years so losing just makes matters worse for me. And for some reason I see ratings as blue or suck but trying to work on that too. Sorry for the tmi.

[MikeS21]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Everything can be toggled

We'll expand on things a little more in the next couple weeks. You can always keep things the same as they are now, but the new deadline/hard mode/reputation setups definitely will shake things up if you want them to.

Good to know. I have NEVER experienced the issues with the trading AI that others have repeatedly complained about for years. I have never felt I could cheat the AI, even with trade settings on EASY. Most of the time, the AI makes unreasonable demands, like asking for my absolute best player in return for a utility player or something like that.

The only quirk has been that I have been able to occasionally get the AI to toss in a mediocre reliever as a "throw-in" in a few deals. Not sure that's "cheating" the AI.

[KBLover]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

Most of the time, the AI makes unreasonable demands, like asking for my absolute best player in return for a utility player or something like that.

Yep, same. It wasn't quite as bad in 23 as at least a few of the feelers the AI sent out were decent enough for me to talk further and see if something could work out.

I don't necessarily want "hard" trades because usually in video game terms, "hard" means "skewed unfairly against you".

I want realistic trades - and not every trade irl is "balanced" and people that "would never be traded" do get traded irl.

I want an AI that know when it's getting gamed, but also not also trying to game you and you start thinking the AI is "unreliable" and don't even bother looking at the mails anymore after the 20th "your 65 productive under-30 player for my 20/30 19-year-old".

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by KBLover

Yep, same. It wasn't quite as bad in 23 as at least a few of the feelers the AI sent out were decent enough for me to talk further and see if something could work out.

I don't necessarily want "hard" trades because usually in video game terms, "hard" means "skewed unfairly against you".

I want realistic trades - and not every trade irl is "balanced" and people that "would never be traded" do get traded irl.

I want an AI that know when it's getting gamed, but also not also trying to game you and you start thinking the AI is "unreliable" and don't even bother looking at the mails anymore after the 20th "your 65 productive under-30 player for my 20/30 19-year-old".

Probably my main beef with the AI for trading is the lack of simple baseball common-sense. Teams out of contention should be moving vets they aren't going to re-sign, wanting prospects in return and teams in contention should be asking for those vets.



You see it sometimes but not nearly enough.

[Pacoheadley]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Probably my main beef with the AI for trading is the lack of simple baseball common-sense. Teams out of contention should be moving vets they aren't going to re-sign, wanting prospects in return and teams in contention should be asking for those vets.



You see it sometimes but not nearly enough.

Agreed, and I'm hoping the extra focus on deadline trading can help with this. OOTP generally does a *lot* better than any sports sim I've played, but yea there are still too many headscratchers. Every year a few 90-100 loss teams let good players go for nothing, and there's always a couple odd trades where rebuilding and contending teams do the opposite of what you'd expect.

[Bobfather]

I dislike that we set universal trade parameters. I think that each individual team should set its own parameters. Maybe this would help sellers/buyers from making counterintuitive trades. If I have favor prospects would that hinder a team from trading for a veteran?

[Scipio Africanus]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

Good to know. I have NEVER experienced the issues with the trading AI that others have repeatedly complained about for years. I have never felt I could cheat the AI, even with trade settings on EASY. Most of the time, the AI makes unreasonable demands, like asking for my absolute best player in return for a utility player or something like that.

Same. I guess I just don't know how to "fool" the AI to take advantage of it.

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I dislike that we set universal trade parameters. I think that each individual team should set its own parameters. Maybe this would help sellers/buyers from making counterintuitive trades. If I have favor prospects would that hinder a team from trading for a veteran?

This is why people have vouched for neutral for awhile now, but I agree team trades values should matter more.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I dislike that we set universal trade parameters. I think that each individual team should set its own parameters. Maybe this would help sellers/buyers from making counterintuitive trades. If I have favor prospects would that hinder a team from trading for a veteran?

Originally Posted by itsmb8

This is why people have vouched for neutral for awhile now, but I agree team trades values should matter more.

Yes, neutral puts all GMs at their default preferences. I've used neutral for years along with upping the difficulty to "help" the AI.

There was a time where AI GM's did not have their own preferences, and the only way to control how the AI valued prospects vs. vets was globally. One could argue, once AI GMs were given individual preferences, that the global setting is no longer required, but why remove something (Clarification: not saying anyone is asking for removal) that is already there? Someone somewhere will be using it and complain (as I would too) about a feature being removed.

team trades values should matter more.

This may be true, but I haven't looked at it closely in my game. I do go through the entire transaction report every day of my season. I look at every AI to AI trade and normally see the logic of the deal for both teams. Though teams do make bad deals in real life, and in OOTP too, and that is fine IMHO. What I haven't done is look at each team's GM to see if\how any of the AI trades fits within their preferences. That is something I should probably do, at least for the bad trades. Never know, in the context of preferences maybe I'll see why some of the bad trades were made?