What other leagues will be pulled?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Let's revisit this conversation in a few months

You have no basis for an allegation more leagues will be removed. And at any future revisit date when nothing has happened you'll say "let's wait a little longer". Completely laughable.

[Mat]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Yes, but without *** the world baseball classic is now pretty much useless for many in OOTP.

This is simply wrong. You can still have Japanese leagues, you just need fictional league and team names.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Mat

This is simply wrong. You can still have Japanese leagues, you just need fictional league and team names.

Ooh ..fun!

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Mat

This is simply wrong. You can still have Japanese leagues, you just need fictional league and team names.

That's a very oversimplification of the bigger problem. There is also the issue of creating all those players as well.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Brad K

You have no basis for an allegation more leagues will be removed. And at any future revisit date when nothing has happened you'll say "let's wait a little longer". Completely laughable.

Please don't but words in my mouth.

[RaUni]

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[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Please don't but words in my mouth.

The alternative is for you to say you were wrong. So I think my prediction about what you will say is your only option.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Ooh ..fun!

Lots of people play with fictional league and team names. You've just insulted them.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Lots of people play with fictional league and team names. You've just insulted them.

Oh fun is now considered an insult? Interesting. People are too sensitive these days

[spleen1015]

Do you guys really think OOTP devs had a choice in how this went down? Having your leagues scrubbed sucks no doubt, but do you really think they had a choice?

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Concerning the original question "What other leagues will be pulled?" the answer is none by OOTP. However many board users are hoping for a self initiated withdrawal by the League of Conspiracy Theorists, Xenophobes, Trolls, and Idiots.

You can see into the future? Cause otherwise you're just making it up as you go along. So maybe before you start calling others names, maybe try not talking out of your ass.

We have no idea if other leagues will get pulled. Maybe Mexico decides to sue and get rid of their league, maybe others will follow suit.

We DO NOT know. All we know is one league was pulled and in an over reaction OOTP scrambled our saves. So it's reasonable to be concerned it'll happen again. It's beyond stupid to assume that it won't.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Brad K

You mean like people whining because they optionally (they don't have to download the update) lost a minor amount of content in a game two months from the end of its product cycle and after playing it for up to 83% of its product cycle think they're entitled to a full refund?

Oh, and why are you responding a post that was a response to someone else while ignoring a pertinent post that was a response to you? Actually ignoring a post to which you don't have a viable response is a good move. I suggest you ignore this one too.

It's not an option to not download a patch on Steam, it does it automatically.

For some of us it was a large amount lost. I myself lost 600+ hours of work creating a fictional league. I had to spend more hours to get it back. So quit assuming you know everything.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Do you guys really think OOTP devs had a choice in how this went down? Having your leagues scrubbed sucks no doubt, but do you really think they had a choice?

A Sophie’s choice… where each possibility was as undesirable as the next.

This is what I believe.

It is 100% conjecture.

I will die on this hill.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

A Sophie’s choice… where each possibility was as undesirable as the next.

This is what I believe.

It is 100% conjecture.

I will die on this hill.

I'd like to know the thinking behind the scrambling of players.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

I'd like to know the thinking behind the scrambling of players.

For sure, lots of good, interesting questions all around - if you're into international licensing requirements. Like, does that league own player likeness, IP, etc?

Maybe they have contracts structured similarily to the UFC... From their fighter contract per Bleacher Report in 2013,

"Fighter hereby grants to ZUFFA the exclusive worldwide right to use, display, disseminate, edit, reproduce, print, publish and make any other use of the name, sobriquet, image, likeness, voice, persona, signature, and biographical material of Fighter and all persons associated with Fighter (collectively, the "Identity")"

I too am curious because I find it interesting, I actually went to their player union website but got sidetracked by the section that details the, "catch ball classic"... so, my interest is fleeting (in many areas actually... I once joined a sasquatch hunting group that I found on Meetup with my son but lost interest after the group voted to eat breakfast at Shari's when there was an IHOP, literally, a block down the road).

One thing I thought about the other night instead of taking the trash out as my wife had asked is that, anecdotally, as someone who deals with lawyers regularly (deals may be the wrong word - it would be more accurate to say they deal with me), I've never been asked to take any 'drastic' measures if my companies risk wasn't significant, with significant financial implications if ignored. So there is that. And, while each lawyer I deal with has a different risk profile, suffice it to say that where there are significant legal concerns, they always agree. And, sometimes they even make me sign an NDA...

Now, if you'll pardon me, my Oudtshoorn Cape Dwarf Chameleon's are in the midst of a pennant race and Chappie's throwing out the first pitch!

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Do you guys really think OOTP devs had a choice in how this went down? Having your leagues scrubbed sucks no doubt, but do you really think they had a choice?

OOTP devs didn't have a choice but those complaining don't care about that. I do think, however, the parent company could have done a better job, specifically, negotiating that the removal would start with OOTP 24.

The unmentionable baseball organization should have thought of this too. Maybe there's none or very little money in it for them, but an organization (the unmentionable one) angering those who are interested in them (the OOTP players playing teams in the unmentionable one) is not a good thing. Good will is worth something.

I had to edit. I was stunned to see mentioning certain names results in them being edited out by the software.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

It's not an option to not download a patch on Steam, it does it automatically.

Sorry you made a decision not to have personal control of the software you licensed.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Brad K

OOTP devs didn't have a choice but those complaining don't care about that. I do think, however, the parent company could have done a better job, specifically, negotiating that the removal would start with OOTP 24.

The unmentionable baseball organization should have thought of this too. Maybe there's none or very little money in it for them, but an organization (the unmentionable one) angering those who are interested in them (the OOTP players playing teams in the unmentionable one) is not a good thing. Good will is worth something.

I had to edit. I was stunned to see mentioning certain names results in them being edited out by the software.

We don't know for certain because the devs can't speak on the subject, but it's pretty clear that it's not the league in question that caused this. It was another gaming company that owns exclusive rights to that league.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

We don't know for certain because the devs can't speak on the subject, but it's pretty clear that it's not the league in question that caused this. It was another gaming company that owns exclusive rights to that league.

Good point. Thank you. I'm adjusting my thinking.

However I still think the OOTP parent gave up too much agreeing to deletion from the current game.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Good point. Thank you. I'm adjusting my thinking.

However I still think the OOTP parent gave up too much agreeing to deletion from the current game.

I can certainly understand that. I'm not a lawyer, but I have this sinking feeling that the quick and drastic change made to the game coupled with the strict radio silence around details is a sign that there's either a serious threat of litigation or worse, an actual lawsuit.