Promotion - Relegation Salaries Issue

dev6015 · 12-28-2022, 01:26 PM

Just bought the new version on the winter sale (had previously been playing OOTP 20) and am loving it so far. I fired up the Promotion - Relegation quickstart on a whim to try it out and have found myself getting pretty into it. However, I'm now in year 3 and noticing a big issue that is affecting my enjoyment of it...

I want this to mimic real-life as much as possible (ridiculous as it may sound for a P-R sim). When players are traded between leagues, I want them to keep the contract that they are under when going to the new team. However, it looks like in some cases where players are traded between leagues their salaries are reset. See the two examples here.

1) Robert Dawes signed a one year, $610K deal with a team in the lowest division (USBL-3) and was traded to a team in the second-highest division (USBL-1), where his contract was reset from $610K to $248K (USBL-1 league's minimum).
2) Jon Samuel signed a two year, $15.6MM deal with a team in the highest league (USBL) and was traded to the lowest league (USBL-3) the next year with $7.8MM on his contract, but his salary reset to the lowest league's minimum of $54K.

I had already un-checked "Reset Service Time for FAs signed from other Leagues" as I thought that would cause problems, but this problem remained.

TL;DR: is there a setting I can select to ensure that the contracts that these guys signed are honored in the league they are ultimately sent to?

Rain King · 12-28-2022, 02:58 PM

Hmmm...I haven't done this type of league in this version but never previously saw issues when players changed leagues regarding salaries.

Can you go back and look at the trades themselves and see if it mentions the previous team possibly covering some of the salary or anything along those lines?

dev6015 · 12-28-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Hmmm...I haven't done this type of league in this version but never previously saw issues when players changed leagues regarding salaries.

Can you go back and look at the trades themselves and see if it mentions the previous team possibly covering some of the salary or anything along those lines?

Yep, I considered that but it wasn't the answer. I just double-checked and there was no cash changing hands in the deal(s) and no retained salary on the trading team's books.

Dutch Alexander · 12-28-2022, 03:24 PM

I'm not seeing that in my fictional pro/reg league. In the highest league minimum salary is $10,000 and in the lowest league $5,000. When a team promotes players with auto renewals will receive $10,000 for the upcoming season. When a team relegates players with auto renewals will remain their $10,000 salary for the upcoming season. For other contracts I see the figures remain the same when players are promoted/relegated or traded between leagues, I've never seen salaries change.

Just did a test: I traded a player with minimum ($10,000) salary for a player on a team in the lower league on minimum salary ($5,000). My old player retained his $10,000 salary with his new team and the player I received got a salary increase from $5,000 to $10,000.

dev6015 · 12-28-2022, 03:46 PM

Here's another one - and the first situation I've found where a multi-year contract was overridden to meet the league minimum.

Thanks to you all for your help so far. Hoping I can get to the bottom of this so I can resume playing!

dev6015 · 12-28-2022, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch Alexander

I'm not seeing that in my fictional pro/reg league. In the highest league minimum salary is $10,000 and in the lowest league $5,000. When a team promotes players with auto renewals will receive $10,000 for the upcoming season. When a team relegates players with auto renewals will remain their $10,000 salary for the upcoming season. For other contracts I see the figures remain the same when players are promoted/relegated or traded between leagues, I've never seen salaries change.

Just did a test: I traded a player with minimum ($10,000) salary for a player on a team in the lower league on minimum salary ($5,000). My old player retained his $10,000 salary with his new team and the player I received got a salary increase from $5,000 to $10,000.

Would you mind dropping in here or PMing me a screengrab of your Financials settings in this league? I tinkered with some of the presets from the original quick-start and I'm sure I probably unintentionally changed something in there.

Thanks!

Dutch Alexander · 12-28-2022, 04:49 PM

See below. I never played the quickstart so can't comment on that. The financials in my league are derived from the MLB financials in the standard game. The first column has the exact values as used in the standard game. In the next two columns these figures are divided by 160 and 320 respectively. These are roughly the figures I based the financials in my league on. The fourth column (PDBL) show the financials in the top league and the last column (OK) the financials in the lower league.

dev6015 · 12-30-2022, 10:13 AM

After running a few more tests, I have determined that the issue is in the original Quick Start. I went back and restarted the Promotion - Relegation QS from the very beginning and traded a player from USBL (highest league) to the lowest league. He was making $5MM in the highest league and when I traded him to the lowest league his salary was overridden to $54K (the league minimum).

Additionally, I went back to my sim and made a trade in my league (currently in 2019) and on the trade screen it says that my money will decrease by the pro rata portion of the difference in the player's salaries (see pic 1). However, when the trade is executed, the guy I get is overridden to the league minimum salary (see pic 2).

Any insight on how to fix this would be super helpful, as it is enough to make me not want to continue my save without fixing it. Thank you all in advance!

Dutch Alexander · 12-30-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dev6015

Any insight on how to fix this would be super helpful, as it is enough to make me not want to continue my save without fixing it. Thank you all in advance!

I loaded the quickstart to see for myself. I traded a player from the highest league to the lowest and immediately he showed having a minor league contract with minimum salary $54,000. In the players history page you can still see his old salary together with his new. But his old salary does not show up in either teams financial overview.

The issue is that the highest league is labeled a Major League, while the three lower leagues are all labeled Minor Leagues. Not sure why exactly but it seems that a players contract automatically reverts to a Minor League contract when he is traded to a league labeled as a Minor League. When you change the League level to Major League and then trade a player he will retain his original contract/salary.

dev6015 · 12-31-2022, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch Alexander

I loaded the quickstart to see for myself. I traded a player from the highest league to the lowest and immediately he showed having a minor league contract with minimum salary $54,000. In the players history page you can still see his old salary together with his new. But his old salary does not show up in either teams financial overview.

The issue is that the highest league is labeled a Major League, while the three lower leagues are all labeled Minor Leagues. Not sure why exactly but it seems that a players contract automatically reverts to a Minor League contract when he is traded to a league labeled as a Minor League. When you change the League level to Major League and then trade a player he will retain his original contract/salary.

This fixed it. You are a god amongst men.

Thank you!

12-28-2022, 01:26 PM	#1
dev6015 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 22	Promotion - Relegation Salaries Issue Just bought the new version on the winter sale (had previously been playing OOTP 20) and am loving it so far. I fired up the Promotion - Relegation quickstart on a whim to try it out and have found myself getting pretty into it. However, I'm now in year 3 and noticing a big issue that is affecting my enjoyment of it... I want this to mimic real-life as much as possible (ridiculous as it may sound for a P-R sim). When players are traded between leagues, I want them to keep the contract that they are under when going to the new team. However, it looks like in some cases where players are traded between leagues their salaries are reset. See the two examples here. 1) Robert Dawes signed a one year, $610K deal with a team in the lowest division (USBL-3) and was traded to a team in the second-highest division (USBL-1), where his contract was reset from $610K to $248K (USBL-1 league's minimum). 2) Jon Samuel signed a two year, $15.6MM deal with a team in the highest league (USBL) and was traded to the lowest league (USBL-3) the next year with $7.8MM on his contract, but his salary reset to the lowest league's minimum of $54K. I had already un-checked "Reset Service Time for FAs signed from other Leagues" as I thought that would cause problems, but this problem remained. TL;DR: is there a setting I can select to ensure that the contracts that these guys signed are honored in the league they are ultimately sent to? Attached Images Last edited by dev6015; 12-28-2022 at 01:28 PM.

12-28-2022, 03:46 PM	#5
dev6015 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 22	Here's another one - and the first situation I've found where a multi-year contract was overridden to meet the league minimum. Thanks to you all for your help so far. Hoping I can get to the bottom of this so I can resume playing! Attached Images

12-28-2022, 04:49 PM	#7
Dutch Alexander All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 728	See below. I never played the quickstart so can't comment on that. The financials in my league are derived from the MLB financials in the standard game. The first column has the exact values as used in the standard game. In the next two columns these figures are divided by 160 and 320 respectively. These are roughly the figures I based the financials in my league on. The fourth column (PDBL) show the financials in the top league and the last column (OK) the financials in the lower league. Attached Images

12-30-2022, 10:13 AM	#8
dev6015 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 22	After running a few more tests, I have determined that the issue is in the original Quick Start. I went back and restarted the Promotion - Relegation QS from the very beginning and traded a player from USBL (highest league) to the lowest league. He was making $5MM in the highest league and when I traded him to the lowest league his salary was overridden to $54K (the league minimum). Additionally, I went back to my sim and made a trade in my league (currently in 2019) and on the trade screen it says that my money will decrease by the pro rata portion of the difference in the player's salaries (see pic 1). However, when the trade is executed, the guy I get is overridden to the league minimum salary (see pic 2). Any insight on how to fix this would be super helpful, as it is enough to make me not want to continue my save without fixing it. Thank you all in advance! Attached Images Last edited by dev6015; 12-30-2022 at 11:49 AM.

12-28-2022, 02:58 PM	#2
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,310	Hmmm...I haven't done this type of league in this version but never previously saw issues when players changed leagues regarding salaries. Can you go back and look at the trades themselves and see if it mentions the previous team possibly covering some of the salary or anything along those lines?

12-28-2022, 03:24 PM	#4
Dutch Alexander All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 728	I'm not seeing that in my fictional pro/reg league. In the highest league minimum salary is $10,000 and in the lowest league $5,000. When a team promotes players with auto renewals will receive $10,000 for the upcoming season. When a team relegates players with auto renewals will remain their $10,000 salary for the upcoming season. For other contracts I see the figures remain the same when players are promoted/relegated or traded between leagues, I've never seen salaries change. Just did a test: I traded a player with minimum ($10,000) salary for a player on a team in the lower league on minimum salary ($5,000). My old player retained his $10,000 salary with his new team and the player I received got a salary increase from $5,000 to $10,000.