Is it just me, or can no one else even get close to winning a tournament?

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

I still haven't won any weekly PD tournaments, but I did make the semi-finals twice in the past week. One of them got me something I've never had before - a duplicate tournament edition player. Tournament Edition Frank Smith will probably get me a nice haul when he's inevitably part of one of the CC missions.

[zevus]

Originally Posted by dishnet34

Just because you don't win a Perfect Draft doesn't mean an investigation needs to be launched into who's winning PDs. That's just bad luck; heck, I think I can count the PDs I've won since its inception on one hand.

Plus, looking at the weekly PD standings every week, it feels like there's different folks taking the top 10 spots every single time. So implying that there's the same people winning PDs is 100% ludicrous. In fact, I invite you to take a look at all the Weekly and Daily Perfect Draft standings from this cycle, and you'll see an investigation is not necessary. https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...t23_standings/

An old message, but, yeah,

it may just be my imagination, but it seems to me like the 'randomness' is kicked up a notch here in ootp 23 vs ootp 22, for "pefect team"

I suppose the people that qualify for this by and large are the ones that are the most meticulous about entering the ("correct") tournaments, and wasting the least amt of time possible. For the "Cap" tourneys, someone that is highly motivated can get in "a lot" of these per week (I notice many don't fill up right until they start, or hours after).

... for the perfect draft, you get less experienced players in the 25K PP ones & these also take longer to fill, so you can play more tourneys per week.

For many of the historical ones, many players don't know the differences (myself included), though I did take to writing down the # of starters & pitchers I should generally keep. e.g. the ones where you can roll with 3 starters, but half the teams will have 5.

... with that said, outside of the obvious factors (like the historical settings of x year requiring fewer pitchers) .. the degree of randomness just seems off the charts

& I don't even know what else the 'strategical settings of x year' impact. I mean, should I be using less shifts in 1962? Laugh.

In theory, using shifts would just be "ahead of your time" -- they should still be effective. Are they? Are they not? Does bunting more in 1962 help you out? I have nfc.

(ed: finally -- is it just me, or does the fatigue of (position) player seem to have less impact? yes, they do seem to perform awfully at 0%, but I haven't been able to discern any difference in a position player that is at 20% vs 100%, performance wise &

ed2: included an image of what happened after modifying my iron team for the first time in 3 or 4 months, below the red line (& obv still needs some tweaks).. there is a decent amount of new cards that apparently came about in the last several weeks, 'unsung heroes' and 'snapshot' irons ... so, yes, not completely random, but the drafts I'd say are the worst as far as that goes)

[HRBaker]

The further into the year we progress, tournament rosters become saturated with the best players available - thus "winning" becomes more of a chance event than a planned success because you have the better team.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

The further into the year we progress, tournament rosters become saturated with the best players available - thus "winning" becomes more of a chance event than a planned success because you have the better team.

Time of day seems to play a role, also. I spam iron all day long and it's rare I have more than 2 field goals and a safety before 6PM. Tournaments that commence late afternoon to late evening earn me the most wins. (It seems that way; I don't actually keep track.)

[Kushiel]

It seems like I win more often in the evenings too.

[Tinkerman]

Originally Posted by zevus

it may just be my imagination, but it seems to me like the 'randomness' is kicked up a notch here in ootp 23 vs ootp 22, for "pefect team"

Is it really randomness, or is it more like smoke and mirrors?

[Hwilensky]

I think its a complete crock. There is no rhyme or reason to who wins a tournament. It's almost as if they put a name into a hat and pick one prior to every tournament.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

I think its a complete crock. There is no rhyme or reason to who wins a tournament. It's almost as if they put a name into a hat and pick one prior to every tournament.

Nah. When you built really good rosters, you get really good results. That's why the same guys finish in the Top 20 every single week (including me, lol).

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

Nah. When you built really good rosters, you get really good results. That's why the same guys finish in the Top 20 every single week (including me, lol).

I am top 3 in total tournament wins, and I have a solid tournament team. The fact that your team can win say 4-5 times a day and then go weeks without winning, when you are playing the same teams with the same players and no changes is beyond me.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

I am top 3 in total tournament wins, and I have a solid tournament team. The fact that your team can win say 4-5 times a day and then go weeks without winning, when you are playing the same teams with the same players and no changes is beyond me.

Certainly, you would agree that the reason you are Top 3 in total tournament wins is because you have a good team and make good rosters? It's not luck.

I've had two stretches of almost 2 weeks without a win this year (in weekly/daily), so I do feel you. I've also had incredible two week stretches (with those 4-5 win days) and the odds for that are also very low. I just feel like it all does average out in the end.

[TommCaudillo]

In a standard tournament where you need to win three consecutive series to win a prize, your base cash rate ("$%") is .125. This means a team that is actually just a coin and has a 50-50 chance in all things will lose for no prize 7 times in 8, 87.5% of the time.

It's quite brutal at rfirst glance. But then again, baseball fans should be used to the concept of failing more often than not and still being "good". The best hitters in the world will be walking back to the dugout for nothing quite often. It's more severe in the tournament space, but them's the breaks.

If you'd like to actually check if you're good instead of leaving it to your biases, got record the results of the next 25 tournaments in a particular category. If you cash in four of them, you're beating the spread. You're doing very, VERY well if you cash in six of them.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

I am top 3 in total tournament wins, and I have a solid tournament team. The fact that your team can win say 4-5 times a day and then go weeks without winning, when you are playing the same teams with the same players and no changes is beyond me.

451 tournaments won is ~14 wins per week. My average is ~8 wins per week. I can't see what you are complaining about. 6 extra wins per week would translate for me into 30-60 extra packs a week, not counting all the 2nds and 3rds.

[Hwilensky]

It wasn't really a complaint...It was more of a vent, to state that there is no rhyme or reason as to who wins. I played two tournaments..my first opponent was the same in each. One tournament I lost 3-2, the second I won 3-0. No rhyme or reason.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

It wasn't really a complaint...It was more of a vent, to state that there is no rhyme or reason as to who wins. I played two tournaments..my first opponent was the same in each. One tournament I lost 3-2, the second I won 3-0. No rhyme or reason.

It certainly feels that way, but isn't that just baseball? The Dodgers had the best record by far during the regular season, and then lost in the first round to a team that is inferior in every way. Over the course of any season, even the best teams are getting swept occasionally by a bad team.

Trust me, I feel the frustration - losing in the first or second round of a tournaments to a basic team with live rewards for their roster vs. my elite roster - it just feels bad. A string of those makes it feel like it's rigged against you, lol. But if you look at the overall numbers, clearly the best teams and rosters are winning the most, as it should be.

Also, one thing I notice - and I wonder if you've also paid attention to this: When I lose to a team that is much weaker than me, all of my losses tend to be by 1 or 2 runs. I mean, it's 1-2, 4-5, 2-4 and 2-3 for all my losses. Whereas my wins tend to be bigger. So it's not like the bad teams are blowing away the good teams - they just squeak by with some good RNG it seems.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

they just squeak by with some good RNG it seems.

Perfect analogy - or, sometimes you just roll craps.

[HRBaker]

It's called "saturation". At this point in the process, tournaments are, for the most point, played between equal teams. Once you reach that point - given the fact that results are basically a dice roll - you enter the 50/50 world of results. Few are going to dominate, and most will play around .500.

Tournaments are great in the beginning when you have an advantage if your build your team quicker than most others, but eventually everyone catches up.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

It's called "saturation". At this point in the process, tournaments are, for the most point, played between equal teams. Once you reach that point - given the fact that results are basically a dice roll - you enter the 50/50 world of results. Few are going to dominate, and most will play around .500.

Tournaments are great in the beginning when you have an advantage if your build your team quicker than most others, but eventually everyone catches up.

How so? The same squads finish Top 25 in the tournament standings every week - If anything it's the opposite. The last month has separated the top squads even more with the Topps missions and the CC5 missions (which most players can't complete even long team).

Outside of Ohtani, Scherzer and Diaz (I only have have 20/30 Topps mission complete) I have just about everyone else. Still a couple tourney wins from completing CC5 and the set.

With that, I'd say at least 75% of teams I match against in the Daily/Weekly are objectively weaker rosters, and maybe 10% are better.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

How so? The same squads finish Top 25 in the tournament standings every week - If anything it's the opposite. The last month has separated the top squads even more with the Topps missions and the CC5 missions (which most players can't complete even long team).

Outside of Ohtani, Scherzer and Diaz (I only have have 20/30 Topps mission complete) I have just about everyone else. Still a couple tourney wins from completing CC5 and the set.

With that, I'd say at least 75% of teams I match against in the Daily/Weekly are objectively weaker rosters, and maybe 10% are better.

I was speaking to the OP who complained how hard it is to win tournaments. What I was saying is if your not among the top sliver of best teams, your not going to see many wins like you did at the beginning of the version run.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

I was speaking to the OP who complained how hard it is to win tournaments. What I was saying is if your not among the top sliver of best teams, your not going to see many wins like you did at the beginning of the version run.

Ah, I misunderstood. You are 100% correct.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by TheGreatBambi

In OOTP Go! I would run into a win every now and then, especially on capped tournaments and perfect drafts, but in 23 I haven’t been able to place in the top 4, maybe even the top 8, in ANY tournament. And I’ve probably participated in over 200 since the game launched. I feel like a randomizer could do a better job than me, which makes me wonder if things have changed with the settings? What should I do to place more often? I’m doing the same stuff I used to!

I played just the Gold or lower quick play, I'll win a few or finish in top 4. But so many times I'll roll into finals only to be swept a team that looks inferior to my team. I'll just basically sit out awhile then try again