Takeaways and Giveaways

[tomkmb]

I know this has been discussed before on the subreddit in how it relates to the players team always leading the league in both of these categories, at least that's what the anecdotal (I know, not comprehensive really) experience has been on there, Has that been the same in peoples experiences on here too?

Secondly, I'm not familiar with what are realistic NHL numbers for these sorts of things but I was just reviewing my team stats because I had a good season but we were winning and losing games with scores of like 8-6 and 9-5 all the time, so I thought I'd try and figure out why and what I needed to look to improve this offseason.

Then I was struck by the difference between my numbers and the second places teams numbers in TK and GA, we have 240 more takeaways than the next team and 177 more giveaways.....that seems like a lot to me!!

Just strikes me as odd that unless I'm doing something INSANE tactically in relation to the rest of the league, if those numbers were happening IRL would this cause eyebrows to be raised? or is the rest of the league relatively low?

I welcome your opinions and insights!

[jumpSeat]

Over the past year or so, I've heard a lot of talk about this issue, but it's something I've never encountered myself. Which leads me to suspect it's somehow related to the way people play, that is, it only effects some modes and not others.

For me, I play almost exclusive 2D animation, where I watch/coach almost every game, and like I said, I never run into this. To show what I'm talking about, I'm attaching a couple screens from my most recent season where my team finished second in takeaways and sixth in giveaways. Which is about what I'd expect.

For every game I play in 2D, the takeaway/giveaway totals are almost always fairly close for both teams. So as far as I can see, there's no apparent problem in 2D.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by jumpSeat

Over the past year or so, I've heard a lot of talk about this issue, but it's something I've never encountered myself. Which leads me to suspect it's somehow related to the way people play, that is, it only effects some modes and not others.

For me, I play almost exclusive 2D animation, where I watch/coach almost every game, and like I said, I never run into this. To show what I'm talking about, I'm attaching a couple screens from my most recent season where my team finished second in takeaways and sixth in giveaways. Which is about what I'd expect.

For every game I play in 2D, the takeaway/giveaway totals are almost always fairly close for both teams. So as far as I can see, there's no apparent problem in 2D.

That's interesting to know JS, thanks! Though I am both coach and GM, I never play the games out in 2D, opting instead to sim the same way that Adam and Jeff do in the Canucks sim where I just 'sim game' from the game preview screen. So perhaps it's something to do with the sim engine when it's left to its own devices instead of having player intervention as is the case with your sims.

Edit - Looking closer at your screenshots it would appear that my numbers are in fact not such outliers when compared to yours but it's more the rest of the leagues figures are much lower in my example.......so perhaps it's to do with the rest of the league having much lower numbers when it comes to the sim engine than it is with the player having a much higher (albeit still higher in comparison) rate of takaways/giveaways.

[jumpSeat]

The other thing I'd check is whether you're simming all games 2D or using the classic engine for some and/or all. I run all games 2D and I don't have the issue.

File-> Setup/Options -> SImulating -> All Games 2D

Might be worth a try.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by jumpSeat

The other thing I'd check is whether you're simming all games 2D or using the classic engine for some and/or all. I run all games 2D and I don't have the issue.

File-> Setup/Options -> SImulating -> All Games 2D

Might be worth a try.

Thanks for the tip, I didnt even realise that was a thing and my setting was just left on the default which was 2D for my games and classic for the rest. So I've switched it all to 2D now and will see how it sims.

I've never even heard this mentioned before when this issue has come up, so I'll be sure to let people know next time someone mentions it! (Providing it does 'fix' this issue)

Will it be a slower sim speed with all games being simmed 2D style?

Edit - Yes, it does seem to make the sim slower, since writing this message I was able to sim through October, that's it!

[Colorado]

it's a bug, I've had it on several different games over multiple seasons, sim result no 2d or 3d. No way it's a conidence

[viperswhip]

I constantly lead the league in giveaways and takeaways but only the latter makes sense as I have a strong defense core. The former kind of makes sense since we typically have strong possession. Either way, it's every season no matter how I play. Playing 2d though means you have to actually in game coach though right? I don't want to have to do that lol

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by viperswhip

I constantly lead the league in giveaways and takeaways but only the latter makes sense as I have a strong defense core. The former kind of makes sense since we typically have strong possession. Either way, it's every season no matter how I play. Playing 2d though means you have to actually in game coach though right? I don't want to have to do that lol

If you go to the setting above that JS mentioned there is an option to "Sim in 2D" but I'm still able to sim through the games as I was doing before where the result just shows instantly, I'd thought maybe behind the scenes that might be using a different engine entirely to the 'classic' sim and would produce different stats but I'll only find out when I reach the end of the season.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by Colorado

it's a bug, I've had it on several different games over multiple seasons, sim result no 2d or 3d. No way it's a conidence

Did you have the whole league set to sim on 2D or player games on 2D and everyone else classic? That's what I'm trying to figure out, if that will make a difference...though only someone like Jeff or Adam could really say conclusively.