Worst Pay-to-Win Game in the History of Pay-to-Win Games

[Tazilon]

This was a great concept in the beginning. Your greed has turned it into a joke.

Get Perfect Team back to what it should be.

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

This was a great concept in the beginning. Your greed has turned it into a joke.

Get Perfect Team back to what it should be.

Totally backwards title and comment.

This is the only sports-card style game I know of (the only card-collecting game, period, probably) where F2P can legitimately compete with P2P. It's the opposite of what you're saying - OOTP Perfect Team is actually one of the best P2P games for F2P players.

I don't mean this with any hostility towards you; I just don't get where you're coming from. The primary reason I really enjoy PT is because I can compete and build the very best rosters without opening my wallet - it takes more time and dedication, certainly. But I enjoy the game, so that's not a problem.

[Ty Cobb]

My personal approach is to write off Perfect League, as I'm not going to spend the money to compete there...and I do know it generally takes money.

I set my sights accordingly. If I can consistently win at Silver and Gold, leaving Diamond and above for the whales...I'm OK with that. I reconcile it by reminding myself that I'm clearly strategically gifted enough to compete, just not monetarily able. It assuages my ego and doesn't insult my intelligence.

If you can't set your sights in a realistic fashion, I imagine life in general will be hard, let alone OOTP, and that's unfortunate.

[HermanSmutley]

Excellent point. I started when GO went live with the only objective of creating a competitive Gold team. Apart from spending an initial £13.48 to get a head start on the live missions no further money has been or will be spent.

[Hwilensky]

This year has been nothing but a blatant grab for money. While in years past, you knew that you had to spend money to make it to perfect, it wasn't as obvious as it is this year. Which I think is rubbing the majority of people(including myself) the wrong way. In past years, you felt you had a real shot to make it to perfect(i did last year) without spending money. This year not so much. I liked the chase. While they did some really good things this year, the chase for money has left a bad taste in my mouth.

[DotDash]

To be competitive at Diamond (or Perfect, when there used to be multiple Perfect leagues) level as a F2P player, used to be a matter of putting in the time, completing missions, getting lucky every now and then with packs, and then following the meta (or in the first two iterations of the game, actually choosing the kind of team you wanted to build and finding the best players to suit your style.)

I am still doing the things I should be doing, but for the third year running I have no idea how to extract even a decent performance from the supposed 'meta' players that I am collecting. This especially applies to hitters. I am aware of ball park factors, but I am running a good mix of lefty and righty hitters so I should not benefit from messing with those. I also don't see very many 'extreme' parks of late, like you would in the past. And yet, my hitters just tend to suck as a whole.

Comparing my guys to their counterparts in Diamond with at least 300 PA's:

McCovey: 19th out of 22 with a .777 OPS. Highest is .979.
Kelly: 13/24, .759. Highest: .880.
Appling (350K): 4/4, .738. Highest: .788.
Charleston (480K): 4/5, .689. Highest: .852.
Brooks Robinson (245K): 17/19, .683. Highest: .874.
Ashburn: 15/15, .627. Highest: .777.
Mauer: 8/9, .656. Highest: .842.
I also have a Ripken Jr. as utility guy, OPSing .513. The best in my league is at .830.

I have two batters performing at an above average level: Joe Morgan (5th out of 21) and Minoso (DHvL, 2nd out of 8.)
This means that I am close to getting relegated from Diamond despite a pitching staff that features Derringer, Reuss, Hubbell, Niekro, etc.
I have no idea how to influence this. I don't see any sliders in the strategy settings that should massively impact a player's basic hitting ability, nor should there be.
So either this is largely random (which is bad), or there are settings which impact the performance of players way more than they should, and if you are not privy to this information, you will not be able to compete (also bad.)

This is what's making me weary of PT. It used to be that looking at a player's ratings would give you an idea of what their performance would look like. But this is either randomized to an extreme extent now, or influenced by esoteric factors that I cannot determine.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

This year has been nothing but a blatant grab for money. While in years past, you knew that you had to spend money to make it to perfect, it wasn't as obvious as it is this year. Which I think is rubbing the majority of people(including myself) the wrong way. In past years, you felt you had a real shot to make it to perfect(i did last year) without spending money. This year not so much. I liked the chase. While they did some really good things this year, the chase for money has left a bad taste in my mouth.

99% enjoy the game without spending money except buying the game. They give away 50-60 free packs each week. That, plus the live missions gets you to gold easily. Then there is spamming iron tournaments for 100-150 packs each week. Then there is perfect draft, which is really difficult, but you might get lucky and win a nice card once a year. Those two things get your team to perfect league. Finally, (and its too late for this one) make millions of points speculating in live card upgrades, for the remainder of the budget to win perfect league. Frankly, far from being a money grab, I think they give far too much away for free, and I think they realize it too. Next year they will be less generous, but not this year.

[OMGPuppies]

Aren't most of the meta cards mission rewards though? That makes it doable for f2ps as opposed to them having to get lucky in packs.

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by bailey

99% enjoy the game without spending money except buying the game. They give away 50-60 free packs each week. That, plus the live missions gets you to gold easily. Then there is spamming iron tournaments for 100-150 packs each week. Then there is perfect draft, which is really difficult, but you might get lucky and win a nice card once a year. Those two things get your team to perfect league. Finally, (and its too late for this one) make millions of points speculating in live card upgrades, for the remainder of the budget to win perfect league. Frankly, far from being a money grab, I think they give far too much away for free, and I think they realize it too. Next year they will be less generous, but not this year.

THIS comment is the one. Agree with everything until...

"Frankly, far from being a money grab, I think they give far too much away for free, and I think they realize it too."

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold your horses now! You've gone too far! LMAO.

I think they make the right amount available for free - it's not as if its easy to maximize tourney returns, roster update profits and predicting the mission market ahead of time. I believe the rewards fit the model well.

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

Aren't most of the meta cards mission rewards though? That makes it doable for f2ps as opposed to them having to get lucky in packs.

Not so much. C (debatable), 2B vs righties, SS vs. righties (debatable), 3B, and CF are the only positions where the meta is a mission reward. A couple starters and couple relievers, too. Which I think is a nice mix personally. The top card for a lot of positions has to be tourney/packable cards.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

This was a great concept in the beginning. Your greed has turned it into a joke.

Get Perfect Team back to what it should be.

Just curious... What should it be?

[cfgenesis]

PeL has had plenty of F2P/budget teams all year long, probably more of a skill/bad luck problem for anyone who can't do it

[Tazilon]

Originally Posted by HondoLane

Totally backwards title and comment.

This is the only sports-card style game I know of (the only card-collecting game, period, probably) where F2P can legitimately compete with P2P. It's the opposite of what you're saying - OOTP Perfect Team is actually one of the best P2P games for F2P players.

I don't mean this with any hostility towards you; I just don't get where you're coming from. The primary reason I really enjoy PT is because I can compete and build the very best rosters without opening my wallet - it takes more time and dedication, certainly. But I enjoy the game, so that's not a problem.

lol...you must be paid by OOTP. You can not earn points fast enough to compete with P2P. And, as the calendar year progresses, your F2P team that used to be competitive in gold or higher, gets worse and worse because the other teams get so loaded with talent.

The market prices become obscene eventually.

I am sure it is great for OOTP's pocketbook, but this is the last year I will purchase the game.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

lol...you must be paid by OOTP. You can not earn points fast enough to compete with P2P. And, as the calendar year progresses, your F2P team that used to be competitive in gold or higher, gets worse and worse because the other teams get so loaded with talent.

The market prices become obscene eventually.

I am sure it is great for OOTP's pocketbook, but this is the last year I will purchase the game.

To win at perfect team you need to pay... either with money or with time. If you read what other people have written above it'll show you how to hang, but you have to put in the time and grind it out. It's sweat equity or real money... you're not going to float to the top.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

lol...you must be paid by OOTP. You can not earn points fast enough to compete with P2P. And, as the calendar year progresses, your F2P team that used to be competitive in gold or higher, gets worse and worse because the other teams get so loaded with talent.

The market prices become obscene eventually.

I am sure it is great for OOTP's pocketbook, but this is the last year I will purchase the game.

Who you got on your team? What level are you at?

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

lol...you must be paid by OOTP. You can not earn points fast enough to compete with P2P. And, as the calendar year progresses, your F2P team that used to be competitive in gold or higher, gets worse and worse because the other teams get so loaded with talent.

The market prices become obscene eventually.

I am sure it is great for OOTP's pocketbook, but this is the last year I will purchase the game.

No, not paid by OOTP.

I guess it's possible (though I'm still in doubt) that I am the single greatest F2P player in the history of OOTP: as I can, in fact, earn enough PP to compete with P2P.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by HondoLane

No, not paid by OOTP.

I guess it's possible (though I'm still in doubt) that I am the single greatest F2P player in the history of OOTP: as I can, in fact, earn enough PP to compete with P2P.

Nothing we can say about OOTP can convince someone paid by "MLB the Show". A team I started 3 weeks ago already has Lou Gehrig (400K), Brooks Robinson (240K) and 8 other historical perfect cards (~220K), no $$ required. (and this team doesn't even get the twitch drops).

[ignats75]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

lol...you must be paid by OOTP. You can not earn points fast enough to compete with P2P. And, as the calendar year progresses, your F2P team that used to be competitive in gold or higher, gets worse and worse because the other teams get so loaded with talent.

The market prices become obscene eventually.

I am sure it is great for OOTP's pocketbook, but this is the last year I will purchase the game.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Tazilon

This was a great concept in the beginning. Your greed has turned it into a joke.

Get Perfect Team back to what it should be.

Whew..I'm glad others think this way too. I only play 1 team now instead of the 3 offered. I also hate the "taxing" of owners when selling a card by taking 10%

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by ignats75

There's so many other things with the game that makes one think there is partiality to cetain MLB teams and players when making cards....Cease and Alcantara should be 100 cards with good rating but NOT. Those are just 2 of many examples. Both are in the CY Young chase...very possibly both could win..who's to say....The hitters.....everything so wonky. Why do Live cards perform way down from others? I'll quit with that before I get threathened again from OOTP