Looping DFA Endlessly

[Bluenoser]

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[PSUColonel]

I am now looking at other teams' in my league to see what they are doing. Here is an example of a player on DFA and from what I can see did not clear waivers. He has a minor league contract, and it does not appear he was ever on the 40 man roster. I think we need some explanation regarding all of this. LGO where did you go? lol

[Pdubya64]

I was curious that the '23 edition has an odd way of doing DFAs.

Every year's game prior, when the player was DFA'ed, as usual his name shows up on both sides of the DFA/Assigned "page", however, once you had assigned him, his name would automatically be taken off the left-hand DFA list. This year that is NOT happening, at least for a while.

Actually, I don't know when the game decides to get rid of the name, it seems random but likely isn't. I was ticked off at first and then just learned to ignore it, but this thread is making me re-think whether it is all related.

Again, since 2008 it has never worked the way it does in 2023. WAD or something else?

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Pdubya64

I was curious that the '23 edition has an odd way of doing DFAs.

Every year's game prior, when the player was DFA'ed, as usual his name shows up on both sides of the DFA/Assigned "page", however, once you had assigned him, his name would automatically be taken off the left-hand DFA list. This year that is NOT happening, at least for a while.

Actually, I don't know when the game decides to get rid of the name, it seems random but likely isn't. I was ticked off at first and then just learned to ignore it, but this thread is making me re-think whether it is all related.

Again, since 2008 it has never worked the way it does in 2023. WAD or something else?

Are you talking about the fact it now retains the fact that Joey Bagodonuts has 'CLEARED WAIVERS' even after you take him from DFA and move him to AAA to whatever? If so that's not new to 23 nor is it related to this MiLB DFA issue (which is also not new to 23).

[Bluenoser]

Can we see the player history? Was he recently acquired in a trade?

[PSUColonel]

Sure, here is the player's history. I don't think this player was on waivers (at least according to the second image above. (contract page)

[PSUColonel]

The player history will not state if a player clears waiver...only if claimed.

It looks to me (and this is just going by the eye test) the AI is doing exactly what I was doing. DFAing minor league players to make room on rosters. (instead of releasing the player)

[Bluenoser]

He just signed with Lexington. Arizona then purchased his contract. They have 7 days to decide what to do with him. Nothing wrong with this transaction.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I should also be clear I am DFAing the players without putting them on waivers (since they don't have a major league contract). I am essentially using the DFA area as an endless "holding pen" or "minor league reserve roster". That's what is going on here, and it doesn't seem this would have or should have been an intended loophole. Teams' simply don't do this IRL. I know I have the option to not do it, but I figure we should try to close as many loopholes as possible. You guys need to remember that I often look at things through the lens of a BETA tester.

So the way I see it, yes, the best option here would be to NOT allow non-40 man roster players to be DFA. That should seem simple enough?? I'll have to bring this to the developer's attention, but I wanted to see what others thought first.

I assumed MLB rules allowed for it (and thus my original fix proposal) but now that I realize MiLB players simply cannot be DFA, so then the game rules should just reflect that. It's probably an easier fix anyway.

Fair enough. In defense of the developers I would think they never thought anyone would use DFA for MiL players. Should they have? Meh, I don't know, probably? I think I already posted, and even if I didn't, it never occurred to me to even try. However, you have stumbled into it and assumed MLB did allow it. Now that it's noted and probably an easy fix there's no reason not to with the caveat "I'm not a coder".

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

He just signed with Lexington. Arizona then purchased his contract. They have 7 days to decide what to do with him. Nothing wrong with this transaction.

Yes, that is likely what’s going on. I’ll follow though once I’d advance to see what they ultimately do.

[Pelican]

This may or may not apply, but I learned (I can hear you all saying “duh”) that when I turn off AI control of the teams I don’t manage (because I just got tired of the Ai messing with my lineups and rosters), nothing of course happens to my guy who is DFA or on waivers. And I think that means no AI trades, no AI transactions, even for injured players. (I can still “shop a player” and get responses, though.). So this degree of control is cheesing the game so that only I can shift players. Not cool. I wish there were a middle ground, where the AI teams could deal with injuries and perhaps with promotions/demotions, while leaving my lineups alone, unless a player were fatigued or injured.

[koohead]

I know it is not exactly the same thing but couldn't help but think of this thread when I read the update on Ryan Webber the other day (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/...ee-agency.html) 4th time DFA'd by the same team in the year and he has re-up'd with them each time. Makes you wonder what little cookie they throw his way each time they sign him to a new minor league contract.

[HoustonGM]

Originally Posted by Sweed

This would be preferable and in line with the real world. The trouble is how many players actually do this? They've passed through waivers for seven days and nobody jumped at getting them and their current contract. Now they're going to void their contract and hope to catch on with one of the teams that already passed?
If they are a min-sal guy anybody could have already had them at that price. "As is" they at least have a contract and are in an organization. If they void it they take the risk of not catching on with anybody and being out of baseball. I think most marginal players take the demotion.

For what it's worth, other teams may want the player in their organization, but claiming them off waivers requires that they put that player on their 40 man roster. Plenty of players refuse the minor league assignment, then latch on via a minor league deal with another organization - or the same one even as in the Ryan Weber example above lol.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

For what it's worth, other teams may want the player in their organization, but claiming them off waivers requires that they put that player on their 40 man roster. Plenty of players refuse the minor league assignment, then latch on via a minor league deal with another organization - or the same one even as in the Ryan Weber example above lol.

True but.. They would have to void their current MLB contract to do that. IRL I would imagine they already know how that is going to work out. Either they, or their agent, has a deal in place. Without a deal to ensure they have a job(which can't happen in OOTP) I would think they take the demotion. And also by moving organizations in the manner you describe they are in effect accepting the demotion. I'm sure there are a lot more "if\then" qualifiers in regard to DFA and player decisions the more we dig into the real life options and details.