2022 Seattle Mariners - Page 6

rudel.dietrich · 07-20-2022, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I read an ESPN article that stated the Cardinals are the most likely landing spot for Soto, due to their amazing farm system.

Probably take Tyler O'Neill, or Carlson, plus Nolan Gorman and a good pitcher to get it done.

But..I don't want Soto on the Cards. Even at age 24, his dWar for his career is -3.3. The Cards have Gold Gloves in LF and CF...and Dylan Carlson is JUST as good. This would be a huge step backward.

Soto, IMHO, does not have the right frame of mind to fit in with The Cardinal Way. This is understated professionalism. Arenado, Goldschmidt, Wainwright, Molina, Pujols, ALL are willing to check their ego at the door. Soto does not appear to have the same mindset.

You're insane. All 29 other teams in the MLB should be making calls to the Nationals.

Not doing otherwise is just plain franchise malpractice.

And your comparing Dylan Carlon? Just in fielding? Or as a whole player?
Soto is literally twice as valuable. Has had 7x the career value and is two days younger.

Get the **** out of here

Mariner and Giants Fan · 07-20-2022, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marinersfan51

Depending on how you define a winning team, the M's have had winning records in 3/6 full seasons under Dipoto/Servais and are on pace for a 4th. Even though their two best seasons were with negative run differentials, I don't think we really have reason to believe that Dipoto/Servais are the issue, they have clearly been under ownership instructions to gradually reduce payroll. The M's had a top 15 payroll their first 3 years due to contracts already on the books (Cano, Seager, Felix, Cruz) that quietly dropped to bottom 5 in the league. The fact that they've managed to avoid being an embarrassment at any point in that the way the A's or Reds have been recently is a credit to Dipoto/Servais.

It remains to be seen if ownership will be willing to actually open the checkbook now that there is a young core and the chance to build an actual contender. I am skeptical, but I don't think it is really going to matter too much who the GM and manager are if ownership just isn't interested in trying to win.

Until the Mariners become a playoff contending team for multiple years I will not consider them a winning team/organization. Pat Gillick and Lou Piniella were as close as this organization have ever gotten to becoming a winning organization. I believe most sports organizations are considered winners when they are competing for playoffs/championships year in and year out. Much like the Seahawks have done with Russell Wilson, Pete and John. You and many other fans set the bar way too low. I do not blame you because look at how we have suffered through these past 20 years.
Think about it, what is the goal in sports? To be .500 or to be in the playoffs, competing for the Rings?

Cod · 07-20-2022, 09:00 AM

If the Mariners make a push for Soto, can they afford to take on the Patrick Corbin contract? I assume any Soto trade is going to include Corbin so the Nats can get out from under at least one of their two terrible contracts (the other being Strasburg's).

On a similar note, we should really start a new Juan Soto related topic in this sub-forum so we don't tarnish all these great team-specific threads.

monkeyman576 · 07-20-2022, 06:25 PM

I wonder if the Dodgers would acquire Soto just to keep other teams from doing it...

monkeyman576 · 07-26-2022, 02:07 PM

Maybe the Mariners go after the Red Sox' JD Martinez instead of Soto so we don't have to give up our entire farm system?

Marinersfan51 · 07-26-2022, 05:14 PM

I don't know if they see Martinez as enough of an upgrade over Santana at DH the rest of the season to make it worth it. The holes in the lineup have been OF and 2B. Hopefully Lewis/Haniger can help in the OF and Frazier either gets it together at 2B or they look at someone like Merrifield.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 07-26-2022, 06:05 PM

I think that they need to get another starting pitcher to bolster this staff as some of them have never pitched this many innings before. I would not mind another ace bullpen guy and of course a bat maybe at second or in the outfield would be nice. I just hope they are in it to win it and not waiting another year. Time to use some of this farm capital to flip into big deadline trades!

monkeyman576 · 07-29-2022, 11:38 PM

Mariners are reportedly acquiring Luis Castillo from the Cincinatti Reds.

monkeyman576 · 07-29-2022, 11:52 PM

The Athletic reports the Reds get Noelvi Marte, Edwin Arroyo, Andrew Moore and Levi Stoudt.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 07-30-2022, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

The Athletic reports the Reds get Noelvi Marte, Edwin Arroyo, Andrew Moore and Levi Stoudt.

I love this move, now go get Soto!!

monkeyman576 · 07-30-2022, 12:24 AM

I think this trade probably takes Soto off of the market for us. I'm sure the Nats would have wanted some of the players the Mariners just gave up. Unless the Mariners are willing to give up Kelenic, Kirby, Ford, and Hancock. I'm not sure we want to give up our ENTIRE farm system.

Cod · 07-30-2022, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I think this trade probably takes Soto off of the market for us. I'm sure the Nats would have wanted some of the players the Mariners just gave up. Unless the Mariners are willing to give up Kelenic, Kirby, Ford, and Hancock. I'm not sure we want to give up our ENTIRE farm system.

I agree with you. I think any Soto package would've been built around Noelvi Marte as I don't see the Mariners parting w/ Julio Rodriguez after the move to get Castillo.

monkeyman576 · 08-14-2022, 06:49 PM

Mariners win two series against the Yankees, and lose two series against the Angels and Rangers. Once again we are underperforming against bad teams and overperforming against good teams. Given our soft schedule the rest of the way, I'm wondering if this will be our achilles heel.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 08-14-2022, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Mariners win two series against the Yankees, and lose two series against the Angels and Rangers. Once again we are underperforming against bad teams and overperforming against good teams. Given our soft schedule the rest of the way, I'm wondering if this will be our achilles heel.

If they choke this year I have a feeling that one of the two Jerry/Scott will be let go, maybe both. I am thinking the same as you though, but still plenty of time to beat up the bad teams. Perhaps a better focus is needed when playing the weaker teams. Is Scott up for it? We hall see.

monkeyman576 · 08-15-2022, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

If they choke this year I have a feeling that one of the two Jerry/Scott will be let go, maybe both. I am thinking the same as you though, but still plenty of time to beat up the bad teams. Perhaps a better focus is needed when playing the weaker teams. Is Scott up for it? We hall see.

I will be for firing Servais if they rehire Lou Pinella, lol. If Biden can be president at 79, why can't Pinella be coach at 78? Seriously though, I think we might be able to lure Kevin Cash from the Tampa Bay Rays.

Marinersfan51 · 08-16-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I will be for firing Servais if they rehire Lou Pinella, lol. If Biden can be president at 79, why can't Pinella be coach at 78? Seriously though, I think we might be able to lure Kevin Cash from the Tampa Bay Rays.

I feel like Dipoto and Servais are a package deal at this point. Pinella would be a fun headline that would quickly turn into the Tony La Russa experience (not that I think he would even want to come back at this point). I would be curious to see Cash outside of Tampa, because I kinda want to know how much is him and how much is that front office operating through him.

monkeyman576 · 08-17-2022, 11:18 PM

The Mariners finally beat up on a bad team. Maybe I should be manager.

jumpSeat · 08-18-2022, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

The Mariners finally beat up on a bad team...

I guess it had to happen eventually.

monkeyman576 · 08-23-2022, 04:08 PM

Now we get swept by the Nationals...

Mariner and Giants Fan · 08-23-2022, 11:02 PM

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Now we get swept by the Nationals...

Are you off the bandwagon again?

07-26-2022, 06:05 PM	#107
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	I think that they need to get another starting pitcher to bolster this staff as some of them have never pitched this many innings before. I would not mind another ace bullpen guy and of course a bat maybe at second or in the outfield would be nice. I just hope they are in it to win it and not waiting another year. Time to use some of this farm capital to flip into big deadline trades! __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

07-29-2022, 11:38 PM	#108
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	Mariners are reportedly acquiring Luis Castillo from the Cincinatti Reds. Last edited by monkeyman576; 07-29-2022 at 11:42 PM.

07-30-2022, 12:24 AM	#111
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	I think this trade probably takes Soto off of the market for us. I'm sure the Nats would have wanted some of the players the Mariners just gave up. Unless the Mariners are willing to give up Kelenic, Kirby, Ford, and Hancock. I'm not sure we want to give up our ENTIRE farm system. Last edited by monkeyman576; 07-30-2022 at 12:25 AM.

07-20-2022, 09:00 AM	#103
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,110	If the Mariners make a push for Soto, can they afford to take on the Patrick Corbin contract? I assume any Soto trade is going to include Corbin so the Nats can get out from under at least one of their two terrible contracts (the other being Strasburg's). On a similar note, we should really start a new Juan Soto related topic in this sub-forum so we don't tarnish all these great team-specific threads.

07-20-2022, 06:25 PM	#104
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	I wonder if the Dodgers would acquire Soto just to keep other teams from doing it...

07-26-2022, 02:07 PM	#105
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	Maybe the Mariners go after the Red Sox' JD Martinez instead of Soto so we don't have to give up our entire farm system?

07-26-2022, 05:14 PM	#106
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 777	I don't know if they see Martinez as enough of an upgrade over Santana at DH the rest of the season to make it worth it. The holes in the lineup have been OF and 2B. Hopefully Lewis/Haniger can help in the OF and Frazier either gets it together at 2B or they look at someone like Merrifield.

07-29-2022, 11:52 PM	#109
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	The Athletic reports the Reds get Noelvi Marte, Edwin Arroyo, Andrew Moore and Levi Stoudt.

08-14-2022, 06:49 PM	#113
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	Mariners win two series against the Yankees, and lose two series against the Angels and Rangers. Once again we are underperforming against bad teams and overperforming against good teams. Given our soft schedule the rest of the way, I'm wondering if this will be our achilles heel.

08-17-2022, 11:18 PM	#117
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	The Mariners finally beat up on a bad team. Maybe I should be manager.

08-23-2022, 04:08 PM	#119
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,642	Now we get swept by the Nationals...