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[John C]

And that's the right way to take it. You've seen what he's done (at least some of it). Enjoy yourself, but take precaution.

Also, just to be on the safe side (given his history on this forum), save the files from every sim.

[crackpott]

again... why does the notion that everything that he says get rejected prohibit him from at least TRYING to explain things? Or for that matter, YOU trying to explain things? Is this what the guy said in Radiohead's "Just" video? If we hear it are we all just going to lie down on the street? There has to be some sort of valid explanation.

[holyroller]

As I said previously, I DID talk to him on AIM. He was trying to get me to join in order to give the league some credibility. I asked him to clear things up from the first time he was accused of cheating. His answers, again I am repeating myself, either did not make sense (something about manager mode causing changes to be made in free agency), or he simply said "I don't remember but I didn't cheat." That hardly clears things up. In the end I told him that I did not trust him and declined the invitation.

The latest allegations are far more damaging and he has not attempted to respond. In the league thread regarding Josh Beckett's contract situation, his explanation again made no sense (he said it was an auto re-sign. For three years? Auto re-sign is for one year). The allegations regarding the secondary ratings and duration of his pitchers is even more disturbing. It seems quite blatant and he has made zero attempt to explain it other than saying that they were already that way in the roster set. A roster set he will not provide us a link for.

All in all, I can't say that he definitively cheated, but I think anyone who isn't a fool would have to think that he did. Expecting us to simply accept what amounts to "just trust me" is simply not going to cut it in the face of what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

[crackpott]

Originally posted by holyroller
Expecting us to simply accept what amounts to "just trust me" is simply not going to cut it in the face of what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

Clearly, you're not an American.

[Andy]

How in the hell would holyroller joining the league give it credibility?

[holyroller]

Originally posted by Andy
How in the hell would holyroller joining the league give it credibility?

Hey, don't ask me

[holyroller]

Originally posted by BigSmithinIt
He said that he started a manager mode during the sim league season accidentely, didnt realize until july that he had done so, kinda stupid in my opinion. Then he had to roll back the file to before this all happened, causing him to redo FA. He couldnt completely redo FA because some of the offers had been accepted already so he erased all offers that were left and then signed the players to their respective teams for a 1 yr deal which was to later be fixed to their "real" contracts. i believe it was Francisco Cordero that all the controversy was amid. According to him Cordero was offered an offer from Houston and he skipped over all of Houstons offers, so while he simmed through FA with no offers, Houston still had offers and eventually signed the players. he then had to trade or release, dont remember which Cordero and sign him with his Seattle team. I know there were som other questions brought up, dont remember exactly though, all the explanations made sense to me, I think he is misunderstood.

Why was he in July with the league file if they had just completed free agency?

[John C]

How can you "accidentally" start a manager mode? Do you know how many clicks it takes to start that?

Secondly, he said before that he simmed the World Series three times because he didn't want to win it...he wanted the other guy to. That's cheating, even if he's showing "good intentions".

I'm not shooting anything down because it's Fit Dog. If anything, it doesn't make any sense. And that was with an old league, and old news.

What I'm looking for is information on this new league (ie who donated the file). He hasn't even released a URL for it, after all the real beisbol controversy.

-John

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by holyroller
As I said previously, I DID talk to him on AIM. He was trying to get me to join in order to give the league some credibility. I asked him to clear things up from the first time he was accused of cheating. His answers, again I am repeating myself, either did not make sense (something about manager mode causing changes to be made in free agency), or he simply said "I don't remember but I didn't cheat." That hardly clears things up.

Same here. I had a rather lengthy conversation with the Fit Dog and listened to his side of the story. He was able to provide some head-scratching answers to some of the accusations, but others were reduced to 'I don't remember'.

I, too, am not 100% convinced that he is a serial cheater, but these events seem to follow him everywhere he goes, and he and Big Willis flat out lied about the original simming circumstances with Real Beisbol. Combine that with the answers given to some of the questions I asked, and I simply would not be able to believe that he is capable of running a clean, guilt-free league.

[mfitterer1]

Glad that someone could get what happened out there, atleast they listened to you Smith, now they cant say they dont know the story. In all truth it is a very big list of circumstances but they really did happen, and I hope that now that you guys have heard the story I may gain a little respect back in these boards.

[holyroller]

Originally posted by holyroller
Why was he in July with the league file if they had just completed free agency?

Since we are clearing things up, how about giving this one a shot?

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by BigSmithinIt
LOL first of all how did he get the name FITDOG?

2nd the circumstances came up when willis didnt have time to keep the league flowing like he could so he let mfitter have more of the workload than originally quoted.

The manager mode incident happened after he read a thread about it in these forums, and it spiked his interest. He loaded up his game as usual, the pressed start manager mode on the start up screen. It made a manager mode out of his current sim league. (LOL quite the circumstances, that had to suck when he realized that had happened). Once he realized what happened he rolled back the league. About his simming the world series 3 times to make sure he didnt win, that did happen. He admitted that to me without me even prying it from him. He wanted St. Louis to win and not him to make the league more fun for all gm's and to make the point known that you may win 120 games but not win the world series. I believe he did do it to make the league go better, having the commish win 120 games is one thing, to win the WS as well is another. Looks like he was trying to keep it looking like he was cheating or anything IMO

Ask him to explain to you why many players were signed as free agents 4 different times in the same year in their player histories.

[MTXperience]

Originally posted by BigSmithinIt
LOL first of all how did he get the name FITDOG?

BTW do you think he would spend as much time on the site and talking to owners as he does if he was a cheater. Looks to me from everything I have heard from the rest of the owners that he is a very dedicated commish, he had a couple run ins with 2 owners in this new league, thats where all this jumped up in the 1st place.

He signed a post with the moniker Fit Dog once... it's obvious hillarity prompted many members of the community to adopt it.

And yes... I do think he'd spend that much time. If he didn't, then he wouldn't have people to gloat too when he cheated his way to victory. He seems to crave supremecy... at any costs. He's obviously filled with delusions of grandeur...

Mfitterer1 the great indeed...

[matskralc]

+1

[mfitterer1]

I was in July with the league file because I simmed with maanger mode up until then, then a owner in the league had a question, I tried to open up the MLB2 and it was in July because of the manager mode. Thats when I had to roll back the file.

There were 4 text notes on some players pages, because I had to sign and resign them, and also they were signed in the manager mode by teams as well as in real life.

That adds up to the 4 that you are referring to.

holyroller, my answers at the time werent on the money because I had taken 4 months off from ootp and didnt remember every detail of what happened. Over the past month since I talked to you I have thought about it all and have cleared my mind.

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by mfitterer1
There were 4 text notes on some players pages, because I had to sign and resign them, and also they were signed in the manager mode by teams as well as in real life.

That adds up to the 4 that you are referring to.

Why did you have to sign and re-sign them. You told me this was because of the manager mode mistake. The would only make a total of 2 signings. Where did the other 2 come from?

[mfitterer1]

They were signed a first time liek they were supposed to be, the manager mode happened, had to roll back the file, signed them all again, this was 2nd time, then realized some teams still had offers in and got players that they didnt sign, rolled it back again, then the final time in which I took all offers off and then just signed them to their money totals for the season.

[holyroller]

Originally posted by mfitterer1
I was in July with the league file because I simmed with maanger mode up until then, then a owner in the league had a question, I tried to open up the MLB2 and it was in July because of the manager mode. Thats when I had to roll back the file.

So are you saying that you thought you had started a new solo league with manager mode but you were actually simming on the MLB2 league file?

[mfitterer1]

exactly what I am saying.

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by mfitterer1
They were signed a first time liek they were supposed to be, the manager mode happened, had to roll back the file, signed them all again, this was 2nd time, then realized some teams still had offers in and got players that they didnt sign, rolled it back again, then the final time in which I took all offers off and then just signed them to their money totals for the season.

That just sounds like an awful difficult explanation to swallow. I can understand 2 times due to the Manager Mode error, possibly even 3 times, but 4 is hard to believe.