Squeeze bunts don't count as hits even if everyone is safe

brotherblues · 07-21-2022, 12:04 PM

That's a bug, right?

(also might wanna tone down the success rate of squeeze bunts by 5-10% in some upcoming patch)

slugga27 · 07-21-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brotherblues

That's a bug, right?

(also might wanna tone down the success rate of squeeze bunts by 5-10% in some upcoming patch)

It’s a grey area. Technically not a hit because the purpose is to get the run home. No different than a sac bunt where everyone is safe.

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RchW · 07-21-2022, 01:56 PM

See correction below.

Rain King · 07-21-2022, 01:59 PM

It depends on what action the defense took. Did they try to get the out at home or at 1st?

If they tried to get the out at home you typically cannot assume the runner would have been safe at first (so it would be ruled a Fielder's Choice)...although it is a judgment call.

If the defense tried to get the out at 1st and the runner beat it out or the defense did not make a play at all, it should be given a base hit.

I would not be surprised if OOTP, though, does not distinguish between those two scenarios and just goes with a Fielder's Choice every time (as that is the most common scoring result).

Rain King · 07-21-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

A batted ball that does not result in an out or an error or interference etc is by definition a hit. No grey area. Bug.

What is the game log calling it?

That is not true at all. The Fielder's Choice is a specific scoring that covers scenarios where a play is made on a runner when a play "could" have been made on the batter. Whether they make an out on the play on the runner is irrelevant.

This, for example, is not a base hit.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sport...e-072b4bea8313

brotherblues · 07-21-2022, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

That is not true at all. The Fielder's Choice is a specific scoring that covers scenarios where a play is made on a runner when a play "could" have been made on the batter. Whether they make an out on the play on the runner is irrelevant.

Oh my. That I did not know. Whudda thunk... I always believed that if it was in play and there were no outs or errors then it was a hit. Don't agree with the rule that it's not necessarily a hit, but if that's the rule so be it.

Thanks.

RchW · 07-21-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

That is not true at all. The Fielder's Choice is a specific scoring that covers scenarios where a play is made on a runner when a play "could" have been made on the batter. Whether they make an out on the play on the runner is irrelevant.

This, for example, is not a base hit.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sport...e-072b4bea8313

Yep I'm wrong.

Pelican · 07-21-2022, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Yep I'm wrong.

You know, we could stand more of this in these forums, myself at times included. Maybe there should be a button for it? Or at least an icon.

BarneyRubble · 07-22-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

It depends on what action the defense took. Did they try to get the out at home or at 1st?

If they tried to get the out at home you typically cannot assume the runner would have been safe at first (so it would be ruled a Fielder's Choice)...although it is a judgment call.

If the defense tried to get the out at 1st and the runner beat it out or the defense did not make a play at all, it should be given a base hit.

I would not be surprised if OOTP, though, does not distinguish between those two scenarios and just goes with a Fielder's Choice every time (as that is the most common scoring result).

Great post.

I'm fairly certain OOTP scores plays that are really the judgement of the 'official scorer', the same way every time.

IRL... I have seen a batter lay down a squeeze bunt and get credited with a base hit. The play went to the plate and the runner was safe. The scorer determined that there was no way they were going to throw out the batter at 1B and gave him a base hit. I vaguely remember the conversation turning to 'batter intent'. The 'official scorer' isn't wrong with either call, it's however he decides to judge the play. Vince Coleman comes to mind, but it seems like it was longer ago than that.

OOTP scores earned/unearned runs the same way every time. In this case, OOTP sides with the least common scoring result.

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07-21-2022, 01:59 PM	#4
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,323	It depends on what action the defense took. Did they try to get the out at home or at 1st? If they tried to get the out at home you typically cannot assume the runner would have been safe at first (so it would be ruled a Fielder's Choice)...although it is a judgment call. If the defense tried to get the out at 1st and the runner beat it out or the defense did not make a play at all, it should be given a base hit. I would not be surprised if OOTP, though, does not distinguish between those two scenarios and just goes with a Fielder's Choice every time (as that is the most common scoring result).