Finances *Ticket Pricing*

[Cod]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Team are already penalized for trying to put your ticket prices too high. But maybe we weren't penalizing things enough...

Where is the penalty applied? I can only speculate it would effect attendance, fan loyalty, expectations, etc. or some variable mix between the related factors.

When I start a current era save, I change my franchise's ticket prices to whatever the current average ticket price is "in real life". For fictional, I have a personal formula based on market size, fan loyalty, owner personalities, etc. Historical saves are a little tougher, but I usually try to find information online about ticket prices during the specific year(s) and adjust accordingly.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by RyMACtizzle

I only play fictional universe starting in 1890. I usually only sim and play in Commish mode to keep everything balanced (stats, salaries, income, competitiveness). I really only care about my US major league, the USBL, as far as financials go. I limit the foreign leagues income and salaries severely to try and get the best to the USBL. However, I find myself very often having to manually adjust ticket prices and financials to keep the USBL league somewhat balanced. So if anything, this might need a little tweaking so there isn't as much manual adjustments.

However, I am not complaining one bit. I have adjusted to OOTP each year and this is what works for me. I also try to adjust financials league-wide every 5 years or so. I also do plenty of beginning adjustments when starting each league to modifiers, as well as each year to make sure stats are in line with what I want (1987 style stats...even in 1890 just with some fewer HRs).

Remember, It's a game, enjoy it. All games have flaws, and if you play them enough you will find something that probably can be exploited (FPS, RPG, sports games, etc.). If you want to exploit it to win, do that. If you want to make house rules, to make it competitive do that.

I agree with others about the board becoming more and more to shout about everything wrong with OOTP, thus causing the name-calling and chest-thumping we see.

Why on earth should/would honest and open constructive criticism cause “name calling” and/or “chest thumping”? If you ask me, people engaging in this type of behavior have some other issues going on separate from these boards.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Finally took the time to watch. Just another user that is cheating himself by exploitation. Then sure, share it on the net so others can "win" too. Sounds like fun to me

I'll stick with extreme penalties on attendance to "fix" this issue quickly.

While I have your attention…here is another. This one deals with trading…and I think after you watch it, you may understand why I have come to some of the conclusions I have regarding the “make this work now” feature.


https://youtu.be/S9eDk7tOciU

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Why on earth should/would honest and open constructive criticism cause “name calling” and/or “chest thumping”? If you ask me, people engaging in this type of behavior have some other issues going on separate from these boards.

Do you realize that, in your second sentence, you essentially do exactly what you're complaining about in your first sentence? You are correct that the name-calling shouldn't be acceptable, but you can't turn around and say someone has "other issues going on separate from these boards" in the same breath.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Do you realize that, in your second sentence, you essentially do exactly what you're complaining about in your first sentence? You are correct that the name-calling shouldn't be acceptable, but you can't turn around and say someone has "other issues going on separate from these boards" in the same breath.

Ok, fair enough. I apologize as well if I have been a bit "on edge" lately. My girlfriend just passed away on Monday of ovarian cancer, and I am not myself right now. She gave it a good 5+ year battle, but ultimately couldn't fight any longer. SO, if I have been "edgy", I do apologize. Even my doctor today refused to prescribe me new diabetic medication today until things settle down. ( he thinks my high blood sugar is a result of stress)

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Ok, fair enough. I apologize as well if I have been a bit "on edge" lately. My girlfriend just passed away on Monday of ovarian cancer, and I am not myself right now. She gave it a good 5+ year battle, but ultimately couldn't fight any longer. SO, if I have been "edgy", I do apologize. Even my doctor today refused to prescribe me new diabetic medication today until things settle down. ( he thinks my high blood sugar is a result of stress)

Very sorry for your loss.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Ok, fair enough. I apologize as well if I have been a bit "on edge" lately. My girlfriend just passed away on Monday of ovarian cancer, and I am not myself right now. She gave it a good 5+ year battle, but ultimately couldn't fight any longer. SO, if I have been "edgy", I do apologize. Even my doctor today refused to prescribe me new diabetic medication today until things settle down. ( he thinks my high blood sugar is a result of stress)

I am so sorry. This is a good reminder (to me, at least) to always remember that there is so much more about someone's life that we can't, and have no right to, have access to here and all the more reason we should try to be kind and understanding with one another.
I really am very sorry for your loss and I apologize for any added stress that some of my recent comments might have added to your load.

You have my deepest condolences and I hope that you have good supports in your life as you deal with this great loss and that you do what you need to do to both grieve and eventually heal. All of our little squabbles about a computer baseball game (great fun, yes, but still just a game) are so minor compared to the relationships and people in life that are what really matters.

[tcblcommish]

@PSUColonel I'm not really involved in the thread though I have been reading it and I just wanted to say I'm very sorry for your loss. This is the hardest time in anyone's life losing a loved one. I just wanted to say that.

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[PSUColonel]

Thank you gentlemen...much appreciated and needed this week. I have just been trying to delve into this stuff to keep my mind off of things these last few weeks, and I guess I could get a little snippy at times. I apologize if I offended anyone here.

Kelli was just a light of sunshine, full of empathy and goodness.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Thank you gentlemen...much appreciated and needed this week. I have just been trying to delve into this stuff to keep my mind off of things these last few weeks, and I guess I could get a little snippy at times. I apologize if I offended anyone here.

Kelli was just a light of sunshine, full of empathy and goodness.

Thank you for sharing. I am struck by her kind eyes and warm smile.

I know it isn't the point of these forums and that some people might not even be comfortable with it, but I have always appreciated it when people here give glimpses into their lives beyond OOTP. It can be easy for us to see each other as our positions, our arguments, but we are all much more than that. And sharing some humanity with each other is, I think, a good antidote to some of the testiness and conflict that seems to overtake this forum (and so much of social media) these days.

My thoughts are with you friend.

[pauwoo]

Sorry for your loss @PSUColonel.

[Sweed]

First I want to say I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

While I have your attention…here is another. This one deals with trading…and I think after you watch it, you may understand why I have come to some of the conclusions I have regarding the “make this work now” feature.


https://youtu.be/S9eDk7tOciU

I don't think I have ever not understood your feelings on "make this work now".
I was bored to death watching that and thinking how fun it would be to play that way.

To me it screams for what I have been asking for, GM reputations and personalities that shut this kind of thing down. A guy gets a few bites at the apple and then the other GM will finally "have enough" and hang up the phone. The human player would be "labeled" by AI GMs as someone that simply is a waste of time to talk to. Problem takes care of itself once the human player has nobody to trade with.

Why does a player shutdown contract negotiations so quickly but a GM won't shutdown trade talks at all? This is where OOTP needs to go IMHO.

But until something like what I ask for is done (GM reputations) I could care less how someone cheats them self in a solo environment.

Would I like to see it all work better? Of course. Can I live with it "as is"? Again, of course. It's very easy to do in a solo environment.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

First I want to say I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

Thank you very much. Kelli used to wander into the kitchen late at night while I was busy testing OOTP well into the wee hours of the morning and wonder what on earth I was doing. When I told her, she said "good, it will keep you out of the bars" lol

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Ok, fair enough. I apologize as well if I have been a bit "on edge" lately. My girlfriend just passed away on Monday of ovarian cancer, and I am not myself right now. She gave it a good 5+ year battle, but ultimately couldn't fight any longer. SO, if I have been "edgy", I do apologize. Even my doctor today refused to prescribe me new diabetic medication today until things settle down. ( he thinks my high blood sugar is a result of stress)

Apology accepted and I offer my deepest condolences. Thank you for sharing what’s been going on in your life and I hope you are able to find peace. You’ll always have friends in this community.

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Thank you very much. Kelli used to wander into the kitchen late at night while I was busy testing OOTP well into the wee hours of the morning and wonder what on earth I was doing. When I told her, she said "good, it will keep you out of the bars" lol

Love this. We have probably all heard the same. Very sorry for your loss. As a wise person told me when I lost my Dad (when I was just 15), “don’t expect to get OVER this; just try to get THROUGH it”. That made sense to me. You need to get through the sadness and loss and move on with your life somehow. You never want to get over the person, because you always have the memories. I’m sure I never got “over” my Dad. But I did get through the loss and moved forward, painfully at first. Be strong.

[jimmysthebestcop]

It only works with 100% fan Interest cause you will basically always sell out. I just set it high in preseason to whatever dodgers, yankees and red sox are charging usually 40-45.

ticket prices arent the real problem its fan interest. Fan interest is pretty weird. You will notice some teams winning doesnt boost it much or it doesnt carry over season to season and it instant drops to the starting point. Only popular players increase it but it can drop again.

I havent tested every team but its def weird. My last Miami save I was able to get 100% interest my 1st season and i only finished 3rd. Every game was still a sell out.

As long as you acquire popular players it is easy to boost to 100%. Even players who are super old and only want minor league deals. Even rental players. Even if you acquire a player and instantly trade him away again you still get the interest boost.

Fan Interest is completely borked. Loyalty and Market Size I believer only effect TV, Merch and season tickets.

Even without jacking up ticket prices ungodly you will still 2x+ your revenue for small markets. I took Miami from like 120 million to around 250-280 million in 5 years.

It doesnt matter if you win or lose. Just get popular players even if they in minors and even if you trade them. Peg Interest at 100% is #1 thing you need for small market teams.

There however should be different prices for playoffs.

[locuspc]

"It doesn't matter if you win or lose, just get popular players" sounds like the Angels strategy. Ultimately you're there to sell tickets, and if people want to see Ohtani you can sell them an expensive ticket to see Ohtani.

I don't think you should be able to get a fan interest boost for a player you trade along, though, shouldn't you get a countervailing fan interest penalty once you trade him to net out to no gain? If that's not working that sounds like a bug.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

As long as you acquire popular players it is easy to boost to 100%. Even players who are super old and only want minor league deals. Even rental players. Even if you acquire a player and instantly trade him away again you still get the interest boost.

While some of the issue may be the impact of the popular player on Fan Interest, some of it may be the distribution of popularity. Here's the MLB 2022 Quickstart list of most popular players. I think maybe a handful of these guys - maybe a dozen at best - move the needle on ticket sales. Trout, Ohtani, Soto, Tatis, Harper, etc. There ought to be a better capped distribution at each tier of some kind. A big middle and much smaller at the high end. That would help the issue being raised.

I think the game is confusing good player and/or exciting off-season signing (which doesn't last) with National Popularity that sells tickets all year. As an aside my favorite of these Extremely Popular players is Gerritt Cole getting no respect in the Bronx and reliever Will Harris being Very Popular Nationally but Unknown locally. Trevor Bauer also, um, seems less popular in reality that the game realizes... I do wonder how the game engine calculates it for the player and how much is manually hard-coded, if any.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Any one remember OOTP's Motto?

"OOTP - it's your game, play it your way"

Why does this Motto get forgotten so often?

The "paper, pen, and dice" crowd are correct, "just don't do it".

There's plenty of ways to cheese a game, don't remove options just because they don't suit how you play.

"OOTP - it's your game, play it your way"

This ^^^^^

[ashantewarrier]

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