My historical 1955 MLB pants

kcstengelsr · 05-08-2022, 09:05 AM

I like playing manual games. I especially like playing historical games. I really enjoy using various mods like silvam14's ballparks and uniforms but I always wanted a look of historical baseball when they had both black shoes and colorful stockings below their shorter pants.

I am not a graphics pro but I fiddled around on GIMP with various pants templates (perhaps originally by Jorin) to attempt historical 1955 pants. Some were plain, some were with one stripe, and some had pinstripes. All had stockings with some being plain while most of the others had various colored stripes. All had stirrups on the stockings and white sanitary socks showing in front and back below the stockings in the area of the stirrups. All were made for black shoes which required some modification to my pants template.

Anyway, I placed on Mediafire a zip folder which has both home and away pants for all of the sixteen 1955 MLB teams. After unzipping you are free to try these pants in manual games. One added file in the unzipped folder is black_shoes.webp. Rename the shoes.webp file in ballparks/misc/player textures to something like orgshoes.webp and paste black_shoes.webp into ballparks/misc/player textures and rename it to shoes.webp. Now all your teams will be wearing black shoes which makes my 1955 pants look better within the limits of the existing player model. (You can always go back to white shoes with a process similar to how I changed shoe color in the first place.)

The 1955 pants zip file on Mediafire is:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/tuoak...pants.zip/file

Trying to create short pants with stockings and stirrups is not perfect because the player model is based upon long pants and so trying to create shorter pants looks a bit funny below the knee down to the shoes. Using black shoes with my 1955 pants made for black shoes kind of improves the view if you squint a little bit.

If you are adverse to trying these kind of things you might be willing to take a look at how my 1955 pants with black shoes look while playing manual games. I have a number of sample 1955 OOTP23 games at YouTube and more on Twitch (search videos by kcstengelsr).

I do hope some enjoy this wild stab of mine at historical 1955 pants. My artistic skills are limited and the player model prevents really good results, but I think I now prefer playing my 1955 manual games with my pants and black shoes compared to playing 1955 manual games with the default long pants and white shoes. Form your own opinion.

RonCey10 · 05-09-2022, 08:32 AM

I’ve been watching your videos on YouTube. I admire your passion to make the 1950s era style uniforms. I played High Heat Baseball 2 decades ago and one uniform maker was able to create short pants and stirrups from a long pant template. Keep up the good work.

kcstengelsr · 05-09-2022, 09:12 AM

to RonCey10:

thank you for the kind words, but without silvam14's historical ballparks, logos, hats, and jerseys and without fancyskunk's historical facegens my 1950s video attempts would fall flat. I try to do what I can to give a historical feel, so that is why I tried to add historical pants based upon home and road uniforms of 1955.

you may have noticed that my historical game videos sound a bit different than typical OOTP23 games and that is on purpose as I wanted the sounds to be more like earlier baseball. my various sounds mods are in the process of being reviewed for update with a new one planned for 1970 and beyond. I someday soon hope to add my revisions of my historical sounds to the forums/mods/sounds.

RonCey10 · 05-13-2022, 03:28 PM

Hey KCstengelsr

Where I can find your stirrup template for Ootp 23? I have some ideas to work around the long pants issue.

kcstengelsr · 05-13-2022, 04:15 PM

to RonCey10

Included in that Mediafire folder are some unassigned pants. I normally use those as templates. I don't know what graphics program you use, but with my free GIMP I basically change colors, clear sections to fill with something else, and other simple graphic tasks like copy and paste.
Take for example pant_home_bln.png and pant_away_bln.png. These are your basic unstriped home whitish pants and away grayish pants. You need to keep the black section at the bottom as is to blend in with my black shoes on the existing player model. Above that are four kind of ovalish whitish sections that you also need to keep as they represent the sections of white sanitary socks that will show up on the player model. The section above the ovalish with parts extending to the black are the stockings with stirrups. The "template" shows white/white but you need to replace that with the team stockings color. If they have stripes in their stockings you will place a new colored rectange of the desired stripe color completely across the horizontal (assuming horizontal stripes are desired) within the stockings section. Adjust the width of these stripes according to your desired historical look. In the case of my Athletics 1955 I had to make a good number of stripes within the stockings section. The top section is the pants proper and it can be lengthened down if you feel that my old style pants don't drop below the knee far enough (lengthening the pants will show less stockings). Some of the teams in the 1980s had players wearing their pants semi-long with only the stirrups showing of the stockings proper.
You can also find some blank pants for one stripe, quite a few stripes, and lots of stripes. You might have to change colors of the stripes section which can take some time. I had to zoom GIMP to 400% to manually replace some thin stripe colors to what I wanted.

Good luck!

kcstengelsr · 05-17-2022, 07:04 AM

A quick note for those who are trying my black shoes.

OOTP23 updated and updates return the shoes at ballparks/misc/player/textures to default white. You will have to go through the original process decribed above to return your leagues to black shoes.

RonCey10 · 07-08-2022, 06:51 PM

Hi kcstengelsr. I've been following your other videos which you show gameplay from the 1930's and Negro leagues. Do you have those uniforms available to download? I like your stirrup and sock styles. I hope the developers will take notice and give the users to make different pant styles. Especially for the old time players because they wore baggy pants with stirrups.

kcstengelsr · 07-09-2022, 07:45 AM

to RonCey:

i believe my Negro League ballcaps and jerseys were made by No Pepper but those were a year or so ago so you will have to fish around in the forums to find them.

the good news is that No Pepper is apparently going to update his Negro League uniforms for OOTP23. check the thread about historical uniforms by silvam14 and no pepper (note the no pepper comment about NeL uniforms on page 2). https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=338896

as far as the pants i made for some YouTube games set in the 1930s or Negro Leagues i fiddled with my 1955 pants to create pants for the teams playing those games. i saved the result for the teams in question but no, i did not create my shoes/stirrups/blackshoes for whole leagues or years other than 1955. i could create some pants for special occasions using my template but others are also free to mess around with my template for their games. i know silvam14/nopepper are including historical pants with their project based upon the existing white shoes model.

kcstengelsr · 08-17-2022, 05:34 PM

After playing many manual games with my 1955 pants I decided to tweak them a bit for the 1961 season. Basically I made the pants proper a bit longer below the knees than with the 1955 models and I did additional work around the black shoes area and around the stirrups and sanitary socks areas. All eighteen teams of 1961 have their stockings in their proper historical style.

I have available for free download my 1961 pants and the my_61_pants.zip folder once unzipped has 40 pants (home and away for each of the 18 teams of 1961 plus home and away for the 1962 Mets and Colt .45s. You will need to have running the black_shoes.webp (renamed to shoes.webp as described in the original post above) from the 1955 group in order for the 1961 pants group to look right as they were made for black shoes.

Here it is on mediafire for download:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/nmr97...pants.zip/file

As a bonus, here is a YouTube video showing my "new and improved" custom pants in a 1961 game between the White Sox and the Senators. The YouTube video description provides more detail into what was involved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iASo...el=kcstengelsr

Note: I have other examples of my pants used in manual games on Twitch by kcstengelsr. They are also free to watch.

Note2: I feel that the default pants and white shoes works fine for games set in 1990 or later, but I think shorter pants proper with black shoes is what I prefer for games set in earlier times. I think starting around 1980 that some future pants of mine would lengthen the pants proper to just about the top of the stirrups while keeping the black shoes and starting around 1970 some future pants of mine would lengthen the pants proper to about the midpoint between the bottom of the 1961 pants proper and the bottom of the 1990s pants proper while keeping the black shoes. In creating other pants for games set in 1960 or earlier I would use either my 1955 pants template or the 1961 pants template but the 1961 template does a better job IMO with the areas around the shoes and around the sanitary socks.

Note3: silvam14 and nopepper have IMO superior historical pants proper than my efforts except they use the very long 1990+ style with the white shoes. I suppose one could try to mix my socks for black shoes with their pants proper by copying a rectangular area of my pants completely down from the bottom of my pants proper and then pasting that into the bottom of their efforts while retaining their upper pants proper. The affect should show their superior detail of upper pants proper like the striping on the sides while having lower my colorful stockings, sanitary socks, and black shoe area. One problem is that my templates would have to be resized first to fit theirs. For example, many of my templates are about 2048 x 2048 (or 1954) while theirs are typically 512 x 512. I suppose one with graphics knowledge could take a stab at the resulting hybrids.

Have fun!

RonCey10 · 08-19-2022, 01:12 AM

kcstengelsr,

I like your new stirrup style on the 1961 uniforms. I think it's very era appropriate. I think the players back in the 1960's wore their stirrups low with the baggy pants.

I thought of making the 1970s/80s stirrup pants when most players wore the high stirrups. In fact, I have a template I can use with the high stirrup. I am not sure how it will come out in OOTP 23.

I hope the developers will make different pant styles in the next version of OOTP. The graphical enhancements in the recent versions have made OOTP the best baseball simulation on the market.

05-08-2022, 09:05 AM	#1
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	My historical 1955 MLB pants I like playing manual games. I especially like playing historical games. I really enjoy using various mods like silvam14's ballparks and uniforms but I always wanted a look of historical baseball when they had both black shoes and colorful stockings below their shorter pants. I am not a graphics pro but I fiddled around on GIMP with various pants templates (perhaps originally by Jorin) to attempt historical 1955 pants. Some were plain, some were with one stripe, and some had pinstripes. All had stockings with some being plain while most of the others had various colored stripes. All had stirrups on the stockings and white sanitary socks showing in front and back below the stockings in the area of the stirrups. All were made for black shoes which required some modification to my pants template. Anyway, I placed on Mediafire a zip folder which has both home and away pants for all of the sixteen 1955 MLB teams. After unzipping you are free to try these pants in manual games. One added file in the unzipped folder is black_shoes.webp. Rename the shoes.webp file in ballparks/misc/player textures to something like orgshoes.webp and paste black_shoes.webp into ballparks/misc/player textures and rename it to shoes.webp. Now all your teams will be wearing black shoes which makes my 1955 pants look better within the limits of the existing player model. (You can always go back to white shoes with a process similar to how I changed shoe color in the first place.) The 1955 pants zip file on Mediafire is: https://www.mediafire.com/file/tuoak...pants.zip/file Trying to create short pants with stockings and stirrups is not perfect because the player model is based upon long pants and so trying to create shorter pants looks a bit funny below the knee down to the shoes. Using black shoes with my 1955 pants made for black shoes kind of improves the view if you squint a little bit. If you are adverse to trying these kind of things you might be willing to take a look at how my 1955 pants with black shoes look while playing manual games. I have a number of sample 1955 OOTP23 games at YouTube and more on Twitch (search videos by kcstengelsr). I do hope some enjoy this wild stab of mine at historical 1955 pants. My artistic skills are limited and the player model prevents really good results, but I think I now prefer playing my 1955 manual games with my pants and black shoes compared to playing 1955 manual games with the default long pants and white shoes. Form your own opinion.

05-09-2022, 08:32 AM	#2
RonCey10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 29	1955 pants and stirrups I’ve been watching your videos on YouTube. I admire your passion to make the 1950s era style uniforms. I played High Heat Baseball 2 decades ago and one uniform maker was able to create short pants and stirrups from a long pant template. Keep up the good work.

05-09-2022, 09:12 AM	#3
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	to RonCey10: thank you for the kind words, but without silvam14's historical ballparks, logos, hats, and jerseys and without fancyskunk's historical facegens my 1950s video attempts would fall flat. I try to do what I can to give a historical feel, so that is why I tried to add historical pants based upon home and road uniforms of 1955. you may have noticed that my historical game videos sound a bit different than typical OOTP23 games and that is on purpose as I wanted the sounds to be more like earlier baseball. my various sounds mods are in the process of being reviewed for update with a new one planned for 1970 and beyond. I someday soon hope to add my revisions of my historical sounds to the forums/mods/sounds. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 05-10-2022 at 06:17 AM.

05-13-2022, 03:28 PM	#4
RonCey10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 29	Where to find the strirrup template Hey KCstengelsr Where I can find your stirrup template for Ootp 23? I have some ideas to work around the long pants issue.

05-13-2022, 04:15 PM	#5
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	to RonCey10 Included in that Mediafire folder are some unassigned pants. I normally use those as templates. I don't know what graphics program you use, but with my free GIMP I basically change colors, clear sections to fill with something else, and other simple graphic tasks like copy and paste. Take for example pant_home_bln.png and pant_away_bln.png. These are your basic unstriped home whitish pants and away grayish pants. You need to keep the black section at the bottom as is to blend in with my black shoes on the existing player model. Above that are four kind of ovalish whitish sections that you also need to keep as they represent the sections of white sanitary socks that will show up on the player model. The section above the ovalish with parts extending to the black are the stockings with stirrups. The "template" shows white/white but you need to replace that with the team stockings color. If they have stripes in their stockings you will place a new colored rectange of the desired stripe color completely across the horizontal (assuming horizontal stripes are desired) within the stockings section. Adjust the width of these stripes according to your desired historical look. In the case of my Athletics 1955 I had to make a good number of stripes within the stockings section. The top section is the pants proper and it can be lengthened down if you feel that my old style pants don't drop below the knee far enough (lengthening the pants will show less stockings). Some of the teams in the 1980s had players wearing their pants semi-long with only the stirrups showing of the stockings proper. You can also find some blank pants for one stripe, quite a few stripes, and lots of stripes. You might have to change colors of the stripes section which can take some time. I had to zoom GIMP to 400% to manually replace some thin stripe colors to what I wanted. Good luck! Last edited by kcstengelsr; 05-13-2022 at 04:26 PM.

05-17-2022, 07:04 AM	#6
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	A quick note for those who are trying my black shoes. OOTP23 updated and updates return the shoes at ballparks/misc/player/textures to default white. You will have to go through the original process decribed above to return your leagues to black shoes. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 05-17-2022 at 09:46 AM.

07-08-2022, 06:51 PM	#7
RonCey10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 29	stirrup styles Hi kcstengelsr. I've been following your other videos which you show gameplay from the 1930's and Negro leagues. Do you have those uniforms available to download? I like your stirrup and sock styles. I hope the developers will take notice and give the users to make different pant styles. Especially for the old time players because they wore baggy pants with stirrups. Last edited by RonCey10; 07-08-2022 at 08:22 PM. Reason: grammar

07-09-2022, 07:45 AM	#8
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	to RonCey: i believe my Negro League ballcaps and jerseys were made by No Pepper but those were a year or so ago so you will have to fish around in the forums to find them. the good news is that No Pepper is apparently going to update his Negro League uniforms for OOTP23. check the thread about historical uniforms by silvam14 and no pepper (note the no pepper comment about NeL uniforms on page 2). https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=338896 as far as the pants i made for some YouTube games set in the 1930s or Negro Leagues i fiddled with my 1955 pants to create pants for the teams playing those games. i saved the result for the teams in question but no, i did not create my shoes/stirrups/blackshoes for whole leagues or years other than 1955. i could create some pants for special occasions using my template but others are also free to mess around with my template for their games. i know silvam14/nopepper are including historical pants with their project based upon the existing white shoes model. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 07-09-2022 at 07:56 AM.

08-17-2022, 05:34 PM	#9
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	After playing many manual games with my 1955 pants I decided to tweak them a bit for the 1961 season. Basically I made the pants proper a bit longer below the knees than with the 1955 models and I did additional work around the black shoes area and around the stirrups and sanitary socks areas. All eighteen teams of 1961 have their stockings in their proper historical style. I have available for free download my 1961 pants and the my_61_pants.zip folder once unzipped has 40 pants (home and away for each of the 18 teams of 1961 plus home and away for the 1962 Mets and Colt .45s. You will need to have running the black_shoes.webp (renamed to shoes.webp as described in the original post above) from the 1955 group in order for the 1961 pants group to look right as they were made for black shoes. Here it is on mediafire for download: https://www.mediafire.com/file/nmr97...pants.zip/file As a bonus, here is a YouTube video showing my "new and improved" custom pants in a 1961 game between the White Sox and the Senators. The YouTube video description provides more detail into what was involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iASo...el=kcstengelsr Note: I have other examples of my pants used in manual games on Twitch by kcstengelsr. They are also free to watch. Note2: I feel that the default pants and white shoes works fine for games set in 1990 or later, but I think shorter pants proper with black shoes is what I prefer for games set in earlier times. I think starting around 1980 that some future pants of mine would lengthen the pants proper to just about the top of the stirrups while keeping the black shoes and starting around 1970 some future pants of mine would lengthen the pants proper to about the midpoint between the bottom of the 1961 pants proper and the bottom of the 1990s pants proper while keeping the black shoes. In creating other pants for games set in 1960 or earlier I would use either my 1955 pants template or the 1961 pants template but the 1961 template does a better job IMO with the areas around the shoes and around the sanitary socks. Note3: silvam14 and nopepper have IMO superior historical pants proper than my efforts except they use the very long 1990+ style with the white shoes. I suppose one could try to mix my socks for black shoes with their pants proper by copying a rectangular area of my pants completely down from the bottom of my pants proper and then pasting that into the bottom of their efforts while retaining their upper pants proper. The affect should show their superior detail of upper pants proper like the striping on the sides while having lower my colorful stockings, sanitary socks, and black shoe area. One problem is that my templates would have to be resized first to fit theirs. For example, many of my templates are about 2048 x 2048 (or 1954) while theirs are typically 512 x 512. I suppose one with graphics knowledge could take a stab at the resulting hybrids. Have fun! Last edited by kcstengelsr; 08-18-2022 at 04:49 PM.

08-19-2022, 01:12 AM	#10
RonCey10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 29	1961 pants/stirrups kcstengelsr, I like your new stirrup style on the 1961 uniforms. I think it's very era appropriate. I think the players back in the 1960's wore their stirrups low with the baggy pants. I thought of making the 1970s/80s stirrup pants when most players wore the high stirrups. In fact, I have a template I can use with the high stirrup. I am not sure how it will come out in OOTP 23. I hope the developers will make different pant styles in the next version of OOTP. The graphical enhancements in the recent versions have made OOTP the best baseball simulation on the market.