When should I be promoting INT Complex Players?

[koohead]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

Let me put this another way then...isn't the DSL and the International Complex (in real life) the same thing?

No. I would say the International Complex in OOTP is equivalent to the academies that teams have where they bring in kids and prospects to instruct and basically scout...before they are signed. The DSL is an actual league AFTER they have signed.

[PSUColonel]

Ok…so if they are in the international complex…they aren’t really playing in an organized league…right? If you added a tournament they would be…but as Jimmy said they’d start to develop by playing in an IL tournament.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

Let me put this another way then...isn't the DSL and the International Complex (in real life) the same thing?

Not really, no.

The international complex would be more like the Tricky League: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...tricky-league/

[PSUColonel]

Well, one thing I think might be worth mentioning is the international signing period now seems to be January 15 as opposed to July 2. I am also anticipating there will soon be an international draft.

So if this is permanently moved to January, will there still be a “tricky” league? It seems to me these players might just go right to DSL, but then again maybe not??

For a sport so entrenched in tradition & history, it certainly changes more than any other I know of.

[PSUColonel]

It would be awesome Lukas if you guys included this though (if it’s still around)

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It would be awesome Lukas if you guys included this though (if it’s still around)

I believe it is, but I don't think we have any intention of adding it. Like I alluded to above, this is basically the purpose of the international complex. Having both would be redundant.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I believe it is, but I don't think we have any intention of adding it. Like I alluded to above, this is basically the purpose of the international complex. Having both would be redundant.

Then why not just spawn them at 17 and dump them directly to DSL and just get rid of complex?

[kidd_05_u2]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Then why not just spawn them at 17 and dump them directly to DSL and just get rid of complex?

Because the current setup works and represents the real world much better.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

Because the current setup works and represents the real world much better.

Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

Because the current setup works and represents the real world much better.

but it doest. lucas basically just said its redundant. 16 year olds cant play in DSL if you read the link he sent out. they have to be 17.

so just make them created at 17 and get rid of the complex. streamline the game. right now they can stay in there till they are 20. if in real life they promote to dsl at 17 then it isnt anything like real life.

i honestly dont see the point in the INT complex at all. if they cant gin stats and playing time then they dont improve except for tsr. so why is it in the game? if its only for 16 years olds then auto promote at 17 or just spawn them at 17.

why complicate matters?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

but it doest. lucas basically just said its redundant. 16 year olds cant play in DSL if you read the link he sent out. they have to be 17.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I said it would be redundant to include the Tricky league and the international complex, as they're basically the same thing. Not that the DSL and the int complex are redundant. They're not.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I think you misunderstood what I said. I said it would be redundant to include the Tricky league and the international complex, as they're basically the same thing. Not that the DSL and the int complex are redundant. They're not.

but dont teams just send the players when they hit 17 to dsl? that is what the link said.

why is int complex in game to 20?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

but dont teams just send the players when they hit 17 to dsl? that is what the link said.

why is int complex in game to 20?

Players don't only sign at 16. And they're not always automatically sent to the DSL at 17 in real life even if they do.

They can sign up to 20 (even sometimes older in very rare cases) in reality and they aren't always immediately assigned to the DSL, even when they're older.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Players don't only sign at 16. And they're not always automatically sent to the DSL at 17 in real life even if they do.

They can sign up to 20 (even sometimes older in very rare cases) in reality and they aren't always immediately assigned to the DSL, even when they're older.

but then arent they still playing baseball? even if its amateurs. they are being instructed, scouted, taught and gaining stats.

int complex in ootp they do nothing just sit there. so doesnt it make sense to give them a development tournament to gain stats and be scouted and represent being instructed?

if northwoods exist why not for these guy then?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

but then arent they still playing baseball? even if its amateurs. they are being instructed, scouted, taught and gaining stats.

Well, no they're not typically actually playing in any organized or formal leagues that record stats in those cases.

They might play either in informal games and leagues like the Tricky League described above or in showcase type games where the rules can be quite different from regular baseball (teams may not use full lineups, there might be more than 9 players in the batting order, players can sub in and out at will in the field and more) and stats aren't kept.

[andyhdz]

People can create a tournament called Dominican Tricky League and set it up to have 16 and maybe 17 year olds from the INT complex participate. Might have to affiliate 2 franchises to a team if you want like in real life. They'll generate stats you can use to look plus some fielding experience. That way you'll have the Academies represented by the INT complex, the Tricky league by the tournament that is basically used to help evaluation but doesn't have official minor league stats and finally the real DSL when they get older. Since I have a similar league setup for HS Juniors who are the same age I'm thinking of doing that so things will be equal.

[kidd_05_u2]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

but then arent they still playing baseball? even if its amateurs. they are being instructed, scouted, taught and gaining stats.

int complex in ootp they do nothing just sit there. so doesnt it make sense to give them a development tournament to gain stats and be scouted and represent being instructed?

if northwoods exist why not for these guy then?

In real life, there are no stats for the Tricky league, just as there are no stats for instructional games, simulated games, and that type of thing. I can understand that you and PSUColonel want these players to accrue stats, but that doesn't really match with what happens in real life.

OOTP simply doesn't include games played below a given level of formality, and that is fine honestly. Just as the Tricky League isn't in the game, you also don't have extended spring training, other forms of practice games for the rookies when the complex leagues are not playing, or simulated games.

The development model already accounts for the development of Intl complex players even if they are not playing actual games in the game world, and for the development of 18-20 year olds when they are not playing complex league games. There is nothing stopping you from trying to simulate the Tricky League or practice games through tournaments, but it is easy to understand why OOTP doesn't include them.

[SetonHallPirate]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I think you misunderstood what I said. I said it would be redundant to include the Tricky league and the international complex, as they're basically the same thing. Not that the DSL and the int complex are redundant. They're not.

I learned something today...namely that the DSL and the International Complex are not redundant.

Dumb question...is there any way to make the DSL-to-Complex League train one-way, as well as to make sure the DSL doesn't count towards professional service time?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

Dumb question...is there any way to make the DSL-to-Complex League train one-way, as well as to make sure the DSL doesn't count towards professional service time?

I’d like to see this also…but I wonder if it might result in a shortage of players?? Don’t know though.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

I learned something today...namely that the DSL and the International Complex are not redundant.

Dumb question...is there any way to make the DSL-to-Complex League train one-way, as well as to make sure the DSL doesn't count towards professional service time?

DSL does count towards service time in real life. As far the as one way train I would love that but the only workaround i know is to set an age limit and/or service time limit that's below the rookie level forcing the AI to promote DSL players stateside to essentially finish out their Rookie years stateside and hopefully to A ball if they are good enough. It will keep older players from going back but younger players could still be sent back if they still meet the restrictions.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I’d like to see this also…but I wonder if it might result in a shortage of players?? Don’t know though.

well if you have ghost players who cares right? You would only be interested in your high prospects anyways.