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Old 06-08-2022, 02:55 PM   #1
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Old version of OOTP No Longer Available

Well that was quick.

Just saw the posting made today on the Steam news for OOTP 22 which said:
"Hello everyone! This is to let you know that starting soon, Out of the Park Baseball 22 (and all previous editions of Out of the Park Baseball) will no longer be available for purchase. We have made this difficult decision because the back-end provider of our live services will no longer support us, so we are not able to continue offering them for sale for new users.

If you have already purchased OOTP 22 (and/or previous versions of OOTP) then you will be able to continue to download them via your Steam library. This will only impact new purchases.

Thank you for your support!

- Out of the Park Developments"

Went to the forums to see if there was anything posted about that here and so far haven't found it. Checked the webstore and only OOTP 23 and FMH8 are available. So they dropped the old games already...

Does this mean people who are running a few versions behind of the games will no longer be able to download demos of the next versions in order to import their leagues from version to version until they reach the current version?
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Old 06-08-2022, 06:50 PM   #2
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I think it’s a bit outrageous that older versions are no longer available, personally.
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Old 06-09-2022, 01:15 AM   #3
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I think it’s a bit outrageous that older versions are no longer available, personally.
Why? I am not sure what other choice they have if advertised features will no longer work because of this issue.
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Old 06-09-2022, 04:19 AM   #4
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Why? I am not sure what other choice they have if advertised features will no longer work because of this issue.

What do you mean? Most of the games being pulled predate, or don't involve live services at all. Challenge Mode was around OOTP18, and Perfect Team even later. In the end, you don't have to pull the game for either feature as Perfect Team came with a shelf life from the get go.

Pulling games like FHM6 and OOTP18 from the store would only have one purpose... trying to steer folks away from a the older cheaper version... and towards the more recent full priced versions.

It's their game, and they can do what they want... but it's a straight forward cop out to point the finger at live services for making them pull their older titles.
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What do you mean? Most of the games being pulled predate, or don't involve live services at all. Challenge Mode was around OOTP18, and Perfect Team even later. In the end, you don't have to pull the game for either feature as Perfect Team came with a shelf life from the get go.

Pulling games like FHM6 and OOTP18 from the store would only have one purpose... trying to steer folks away from a the older cheaper version... and towards the more recent full priced versions.

It's their game, and they can do what they want... but it's a straight forward cop out to point the finger at live services for making them pull their older titles.
Is licensing verification a live service? That's how I read it. Any beef you have should be directed at FastSpring Esellerate et al
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Old 06-10-2022, 05:25 AM   #6
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Is licensing verification a live service? That's how I read it. Any beef you have should be directed at FastSpring Esellerate et al

Those companies have zero to do with the Steam product at all.

Any Beef is fairly with the messenger who delivers a vague finger pointing message blaming their particular issue on another unnamed company. There is ALWAYS an option.. and blaming someone else because it's too hard to correct, too expensive to correct, or takes too much time to correct... is Bush League.
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Old 06-11-2022, 08:32 AM   #7
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I see no issue here as long as users that previously paid for the game are still able to download and play. Not sure why OOTP Dev., or any business for that matter, should be required to sell old versions of their product? Support for previous buyers? Sure. Required to keep an old game on the market? No.
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I am still playing OOTP 22 but I don’t expect them to keep it for sale while there is a newer version. It would be nice if they keep demo versions on the web site though.
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Those companies have zero to do with the Steam product at all.

Any Beef is fairly with the messenger who delivers a vague finger pointing message blaming their particular issue on another unnamed company. There is ALWAYS an option.. and blaming someone else because it's too hard to correct, too expensive to correct, or takes too much time to correct... is Bush League.


The Steam versions are still available. Are you missing the point?
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I see no issue here as long as users that previously paid for the game are still able to download and play. Not sure why OOTP Dev., or any business for that matter, should be required to sell old versions of their product? Support for previous buyers? Sure. Required to keep an old game on the market? No.
My main complaint is the fact that they posted the message to Steam saying that they will be doing it soon so if you want to buy any of the old versions then do so quickly. Then cut the older games from their webstore. Not giving anyone the chance to buy an old version from their website.

Although for the moment they are still available on Steam to purchase.

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The Steam versions are still available. Are you missing the point?

ALL versions are available right now... ALL versions but 23 are going to get pulled in the near future. I do not understand where you are coming from... it almost sounds like you are angry that I a have stated that I find pointing the finger at another company for something they are no longer going to provide bush league.

First it is I should complain to "FastSpring Esellerate et al", then "they are still available on Steam"... and to both I can only reply "not the point of what I wrote at all.

This isn't intended to be drama starting at all, so odd that it has to go back and forth this often for me to make a point by repeating myself...

Blaming another company for something you don't want to spend time, resources, and / or money on fixing is a cop out. A simple "We have decided to no longer offer older versions" would do instead of...

"because the back-end provider of our live services will no longer support us"

There's no issue at all with them no longer providing older versions. That's their business. Blaming a live service provider because you don't want to offer OOTP17 for sale anymore, however, is weak in my personal opinion. Just pull it and be done with it.
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Is there official word *when* they will be pulled from Steam, and will there be another sale coming before that? The only one I am missing is 17, and my Raccoons are still in 16, so should there ever be a need to move them...... But I'd hate to burn 20 bucks on it.
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Is there official word *when* they will be pulled from Steam, and will there be another sale coming before that? The only one I am missing is 17, and my Raccoons are still in 16, so should there ever be a need to move them.... But I'd hate to burn 20 bucks on it.

Nothing official beyond what has been quoted in this thread. This community is pretty tight for the most part... so I would not be too worried about it. I doubt there will be a shortage of offers to help convert a league in cases like yours when the games get pulled.
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I see no issue here as long as users that previously paid for the game are still able to download and play. Not sure why OOTP Dev., or any business for that matter, should be required to sell old versions of their product? Support for previous buyers? Sure. Required to keep an old game on the market? No.
If they're not going to keep the old versions available then they need to make it possible to move a saved game from (an example) 18 to 23.
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If they're not going to keep the old versions available then they need to make it possible to move a saved game from (an example) 18 to 23.
And you'd have to take that up with them and their support.

Then we get to "need" or "should". I've always thought their allowing d'loading of the demo to import has been too generous. Just my opinion but obviously Markus was ok with it. Personally I have no problem with a model that requires purchasing each new version if one wants to continue on with their current game. Again that's just me.
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ALL versions are available right now... ALL versions but 23 are going to get pulled in the near future. I do not understand where you are coming from... it almost sounds like you are angry that I a have stated that I find pointing the finger at another company for something they are no longer going to provide bush league.

First it is I should complain to "FastSpring Esellerate et al", then "they are still available on Steam"... and to both I can only reply "not the point of what I wrote at all.

This isn't intended to be drama starting at all, so odd that it has to go back and forth this often for me to make a point by repeating myself...

Blaming another company for something you don't want to spend time, resources, and / or money on fixing is a cop out. A simple "We have decided to no longer offer older versions" would do instead of...

"because the back-end provider of our live services will no longer support us"

There's no issue at all with them no longer providing older versions. That's their business. Blaming a live service provider because you don't want to offer OOTP17 for sale anymore, however, is weak in my personal opinion. Just pull it and be done with it.

So you're butt hurt on how they worded it. Welcome to the world of "spin" and "entitlement" that we now live in.

The company spins the announcement, big surprise.

Users think the are entitled to better? "I want the TRUTH!!". OK,
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Is there official word *when* they will be pulled from Steam, and will there be another sale coming before that? The only one I am missing is 17, and my Raccoons are still in 16, so should there ever be a need to move them...... But I'd hate to burn 20 bucks on it.
Markus said that old versions would continue to be available on Steam.
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So you're butt hurt on how they worded it. Welcome to the world of "spin" and "entitlement" that we now live in.

The company spins the announcement, big surprise.

Users think the are entitled to better? "I want the TRUTH!!". OK,
Man, that's a whole lot of drama I don't want to get into. Don't know what I wrote that sounded either Butt hurt or entitled. I don't think they owe anyone an explanation for anything at all. They have pulled previous versions of OOTP before and I could not have cared less at the time.

Finger pointing at another company as an excuse for your own company's decision is unprofessional. Saying nothing at all would have been a better look. That's my opinion, and your welcome to disagree.
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best answer i can think of is to save your old working OOTP versions and keep the codes somewhere safe. i usually update my older version to the current one after a couple months into the new season - that way most of the big bugs have been squished. As far as the company letting the old versions fade into nothingness ... that's something i have no control over and have no real reason to question that decision - and my solution is to keep my old copies on an external HD in case they are needed.
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Markus said that old versions would continue to be available on Steam.
Apparently not as I just saw a post in my Facebook feed that said
"With the older versions of OOTP soon being taken off of the Steam Store for purchase, we've added a Legacy Bundle featuring OOTP Baseball 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 for a limited time for those of you who want to fill out your collections for only $30 USD. "
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