Where is Jackie Robinson???

[O_Yogurt_O]

I've been playing a historical simulation with rosters, transactions, lineups- everything according to history, and the Brooklyn Dodgers have no Jackie Robinson. What gives???

[Lukas Berger]

He should surely be there. Try doing a search for him, he may've ended up on a reserve list or somewhere other than the Dodger's active roster.

[O_Yogurt_O]

He's not in the historical index anywhere. Wasn't imported at all.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by O_Yogurt_O

He's not in the historical index anywhere. Wasn't imported at all.

He's not there even if you search for his name in the search field?

You'll want to walk us through exactly how you started the game, what settings you chose, what year this is etc.

It might also help if you can upload the save game files (just the ones that end in .lg) to Dropbox or Google Drive and post a link here.

[hillm2ca]

What year are you starting the sim?

[luckymann]

Have you left the color bar on perhaps?

[O_Yogurt_O]

I started in 1903.

Historical Settings:
Use real historical transactions - ON
Use real IL transactions - ON
Use real historical lineups - ON
(long story short- all historical options are ON except rookies as free agents and rookies from all eras)

There is NO setting that would cause this; I can only assume it is an egregious bug, missing the historical transaction of Jackie to Brooklyn. I've found him sitting in the Free Agent pool, getting older, talent wasted. Has stats for the NeL from 45-48.

Suffice it to say I'm disappointed that perhaps the most significant transaction in MLB history (with the Ruth trade second, of course) was an OOTP23 oversight. Now I'm naturally worried other historical transactions won't occur and playing a historical sim will be pointless.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by O_Yogurt_O

I started in 1903.

Historical Settings:
Use real historical transactions - ON
Use real IL transactions - ON
Use real historical lineups - ON
(long story short- all historical options are ON except rookies as free agents and rookies from all eras)

There is NO setting that would cause this; I can only assume it is an egregious bug, missing the historical transaction of Jackie to Brooklyn. I've found him sitting in the Free Agent pool, getting older, talent wasted. Has stats for the NeL from 45-48.

Suffice it to say I'm disappointed that perhaps the most significant transaction in MLB history (with the Ruth trade second, of course) was an OOTP23 oversight. Now I'm naturally worried other historical transactions won't occur and playing a historical sim will be pointless.

Did you check the color bar?

[O_Yogurt_O]

Do you mean the color barrier? It's not even an option.

Also, Satchel Paige is in the game, so that's not a factor. The only explanation I can see is that it isn't included in the historical transactions database.

[doubles]

Originally Posted by O_Yogurt_O

There is NO setting that would cause this; I can only assume it is an egregious bug, missing the historical transaction of Jackie to Brooklyn. I've found him sitting in the Free Agent pool, getting older, talent wasted. Has stats for the NeL from 45-48.

Suffice it to say I'm disappointed that perhaps the most significant transaction in MLB history (with the Ruth trade second, of course) was an OOTP23 oversight. Now I'm naturally worried other historical transactions won't occur and playing a historical sim will be pointless.

Like several people have mentioned, there is one setting that would cause this, and that's the "Color Barrier" option under league rules.

[David Watts]

Has it ever been said one way or another by one of the game developers if real transactions/real lineups works with historical minors turned on? Seems like something that should be clarified.

[O_Yogurt_O]

Like I've said, "Color Barrier" is not even an option under League Rules. It is not the issue. Satchel Paige is in the game. It's a problem with historical transactions.

[O_Yogurt_O]

Does anyone know a way of alerting the developers of this issue? I was told by a redditor to come here, but this seems to be similar discussion as opposed to a feedback avenue.

Thank you.

[pstrickert]

I just created an MLB sim in 1901 using real lineups & transactions. I then simmed through 1956. Jackie Robinson appears with the Dodgers from 1947 to 1956.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I just created an MLB sim in 1901 using real lineups & transactions. I then simmed through 1956. Jackie Robinson appears with the Dodgers from 1947 to 1956.

Could it be that the OP has historical minors turned on? If so, will real lineups and transactions work properly?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by David Watts

If so, will real lineups and transactions work properly?

No, they won't.

It's specifically stated during the setup process that it's not recommended to turn on real lineups and transactions with the historical minors enabled.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by O_Yogurt_O

Does anyone know a way of alerting the developers of this issue? I was told by a redditor to come here, but this seems to be similar discussion as opposed to a feedback avenue.

Thank you.

Your frustration is completely understandable. But I think the feedback you are getting here, even if this perhaps hasn't been directly and clearly stated, is that what you are experiencing isn't a universal, generalized bug but rather something very specific to your personal save and setup. So what I am hearing is folks trying to help troubleshoot what might have gone wrong in this very particular case for you.
As for the developers, obviously they have seen this as one of them responded here. But you can also reach out to them for tech support and they could help you to discover what it is that is causing this very localized issue with your save. There are probably a few ways to accomplish this but I would think one of the best ways would be to go here: https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/out...eball-support/ and submit a support ticket.

Edit: Or, now that I am reading the thread more carefully, you could also just follow the directions that Lukas provided above (post #4 in this thread) so that the developers can take a closer look at what might have gone wrong in your save.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Could it be that the OP has historical minors turned on? If so, will real lineups and transactions work properly?

This is the problem. I just created the 1941 season and enabled minors and negro leagues, in addition to real lineups & transactions. I then simmed through 1947. Jackie Robinson does not enter the major leagues in 1947.

[M's rule]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

This is the problem. I just created the 1941 season and enabled minors and negro leagues, in addition to real lineups & transactions. I then simmed through 1947. Jackie Robinson does not enter the major leagues in 1947.

Here's my experience, which is quite different:

Started a league in 1945 with transactions, lineups, and minors enabled. Jackie plays for Kansas City in 1945 and is signed by the Dodgers on 10/23/1945 per the transactions file.

He becomes a member of Brooklyn on that day, but sometime between then and 4/1/1946 he was relocated to Montreal (by the AI, not from a transaction).

He remains with Montreal for the first few games of the 1947 International League season, but on Opening Day in MLB a week later he's a member of the Dodgers and in the lineup (because, I assume, the lineups file has made its presence known). His history does not include a line that speaks to this event. See the screenshot, FWIW.

Paul, you didn't mention whether he showed up on KC and Montreal properly. If he did, I can't imagine why your experience after that would be any different from mine.

[pstrickert]

I purged the files from my saved games folder. Sorry. I remember seeing stats for KC but otherwise no stats. I'm doing another sim right now, beginning in 1945. I'll let you know what happens.