AI Evaluation Settings

[PSUColonel]

Was this with ratings at 55?

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by KBLover

I decided to try 30/30/20/20 in my save.

A week into the new settings... I see the attached player get signed to an 8.5 million contract.

Batting 0.091.

This raises a LOT of questions.

Why is he even in the majors?
Why did he get such a contract?
Why didn't the dude just retire? (I guess he knew he can get 8 million to hit under .100 )
Why does expect to be a starter?

I'm very skeptical now of these settings and now this game's whole AI.

I hope this isn't what I can look forward to and that this was some weird one-off combination of things.

Edit: And, yes, those are accurate ratings. I looked in the editor because I thought my scout was just a dumbass with this one guy for some reason.

Can you give us more context? League budget, salary baselines, the players entire stat history, the team's playroll and budget, etc etc.

It looks awful at first, but not at all if the league's minimum salary is 5-10m.

[KBLover]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Can you give us more context? League budget, salary baselines, the players entire stat history, the team's playroll and budget, etc etc.

It looks awful at first, but not at all if the league's minimum salary is 5-10m.

League minimum is $750,000

I'm guessing it was an injury signing...but why not call up the 60/60/55 Con/Pow/Eye prospect in AAA... I just can't...

Anyway...they aren't hurting for money and recent production was okay (1.5 WAR, so below average but tolerable)

I suppose they got fooled by the prior stats...but that's pretty freaking bad, imo.

I can't think of any irl example of a player who would be this poor and if he's this bad, it would show up just by the eye test, and then the team says "here's 8.5 million".

Even the "proven veteran" trap doesn't apply to people hitting .100.

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Was this with ratings at 55?

No, no - I'll go to 55 when the Offseason starts (currently in playoffs).

[MathBandit]

What are the stats in question? I don't see his stats anywhere.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by KBLover

League minimum is $750,000

I'm guessing it was an injury signing...but why not call up the 60/60/55 Con/Pow/Eye prospect in AAA... I just can't...

Anyway...they aren't hurting for money and recent production was okay (1.5 WAR, so below average but tolerable)

I suppose they got fooled by the prior stats...but that's pretty freaking bad, imo.

I can't think of any irl example of a player who would be this poor and if he's this bad, it would show up just by the eye test, and then the team says "here's 8.5 million".

Even the "proven veteran" trap doesn't apply to people hitting .100.




No, no - I'll go to 55 when the Offseason starts (currently in playoffs).

well, this is likely all I would have needed to see to return to 55 ratings. My only question now is how I want to divide the stats. Obviously they get 45%, but I'm not sure if I should divide them up evenly (55/15/15/15) or their them (55/20/15/10)

[KBLover]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

What are the stats in question? I don't see his stats anywhere.

I didn't put them on - I didn't want the picture to be too huge

But he had -0.4 WAR currently and 1.5 WAR last season

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

well, this is likely all I would have needed to see to return to 55 ratings. My only question now is how I want to divide the stats. Obviously they get 45%, but I'm not sure if I should divide them up evenly (55/15/15/15) or their them (55/20/15/10)

I'm leaning to 55/20/15/10, personally.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by KBLover

I didn't put them on - I didn't want the picture to be too huge

But he had -0.4 WAR currently and 1.5 WAR last season



I'm leaning to 55/20/15/10, personally.

yep..I have tried it and run it through many times, and I feel it works well.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by KBLover

I decided to try 30/30/20/20 in my save.

A week into the new settings... I see the attached player get signed to an 8.5 million contract.

Batting 0.091.

This raises a LOT of questions.

Why is he even in the majors?
Why did he get such a contract?
Why didn't the dude just retire? (I guess he knew he can get 8 million to hit under .100 )
Why does expect to be a starter?

I'm very skeptical now of these settings and now this game's whole AI.

I hope this isn't what I can look forward to and that this was some weird one-off combination of things.

Edit: And, yes, those are accurate ratings. I looked in the editor because I thought my scout was just a dumbass with this one guy for some reason.

If he was valued at that price because of the settings then his OVR would reflect that. Something else is going on there and probably should report it as a bug.

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

If he was valued at that price because of the settings then his OVR would reflect that. Something else is going on there and probably should report it as a bug.

Agreed. That kinda thing shouldnt be happening on ANY eval setting.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Agreed. That kinda thing shouldnt be happening on ANY eval setting.

I think you are right….even if the AI is basing its decisions on more stats this shouldn’t happen

[KBLover]

Yeah I'm going to screenshot and report.

I set it to 55/20/15/10 and in free agency he wants $10,000,000 and now his OVR/POT are 25/25.

[PSUColonel]

I am starting to wonder if this is a financial issue with the MLB QuickStart???

[PSUColonel]

Here are what the new financial conditions look like for MLB:

[PSUColonel]

Why is the Average profit for each team only 500K???

In previous versions, the AVG profit was about 7M, while the AVG team revenue was around 270M.


EDIT: I am unsure if this has anything to do with what we are witnessing in terms of unrealistic FA demands and/or very bad contracts....but I figured I'd at least bring it to the attention of developers and testers.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by KBLover

I didn't put them on - I didn't want the picture to be too huge

But he had -0.4 WAR currently and 1.5 WAR last season

I mean, that seems to me to be working as intended with 30/30/20/20 then, since you're telling teams to put a lot more weight on his numbers than on whether or not he can hit. A 1.5 WAR player getting that contract isn't insane (especially if he was even better the year before).

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I mean, that seems to me to be working as intended with 30/30/20/20 then, since you're telling teams to put a lot more weight on his numbers than on whether or not he can hit. A 1.5 WAR player getting that contract isn't insane (especially if he was even better the year before).

That’s what I was told by a developer this morning also. This does however raise the question of how much weight should be given to scout grades’ IMO.

For me, I’m completely re-thinking everything in this thread with the exception of my original 55/20/15/10 recommendation.

[KBLover]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am starting to wonder if this is a financial issue with the MLB QuickStart???

For me it isn't since mine is a fictional game started in OOTP22 and in year 11.

I haven't started a MLB save in this version yet as I usually play pure fictional.

[KBLover]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I mean, that seems to me to be working as intended with 30/30/20/20 then, since you're telling teams to put a lot more weight on his numbers than on whether or not he can hit. A 1.5 WAR player getting that contract isn't insane (especially if he was even better the year before).

If that's the case then I don't think these low ratings% settings are for me.

I can't think of a team that would ignore seeing how bad his skills are now and say "well he has no bat speed and doesn't make hard contact and swings at everything, let's sign him because surely he's almost MLB average".

Barring actual analytics being used, I will go back to my "ratings are the proxy for statcast" approach.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

That’s what I was told by a developer this morning also. This does however raise the question of how much weight should be given to scout grades’ IMO.

For me, I’m completely re-thinking everything in this thread with the exception of my original 55/20/15/10 recommendation.

I'm planning on starting my longterm sim as soon as the release version of 61 drops, and will be using your recommendation for AI Settings (along with the other ~10 things in your post about how you setup a new save file).

[kidd_05_u2]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

That’s what I was told by a developer this morning also. This does however raise the question of how much weight should be given to scout grades’ IMO.

For me, I’m completely re-thinking everything in this thread with the exception of my original 55/20/15/10 recommendation.

Keep in mind that the example KBLover posted is pretty extreme though. A player going from borderline all-star to suddenly not being good enough to play in the dominican rookie league is not common in the game, I think.

Even still, I can point to real life examples when something similar happened. The Angels paid Tim Lincecum a decent contract in 2016 even though everyone knew he had absolutely no stuff, and he was destroyed to the tune of -2.0 war or something over just nine starts. Two years later, the Rangers offered Lincecum another contract for some reason.

Question for KBLover: did this player suffer a massive injury midseason in 2030? Are your aging modifiers the standard 1,000? Could you post a screenshot of the evolution of the scouting reports?

Personally, after reading through this thread I've settled on low scouting accuracy and 35/29/22/14 for my new save. The big question that I think remains unresolved is what happens when current year stats are insufficient. Is the ratings portion of the evaluation the only thing that rises to compensate? or are ratings, previous year, and two years ago weights rising in the same proportion? The example KBLover posted suggests it is the latter.