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[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Not sure if this is considered major enough, but it seems odd to me that Zimmer is a worse defensive OF (and specifically CF) than Springer in Toronto. He's been better defensively in OAA, DRS, and UZR/150. The Jays are also using him specifically as a CF defensive replacement so far this year, with Springer moving over to RF when Zimmer comes in late to play CF.

edit: Not trying to come across as "Pls buff Blue Jays", just that the specific interaction between the defense of Springer and Zimmer seems like it might be a bit out of whack given he was brought in and is being used specifically as a defensive replacement in CF.

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

No worries, this seems pretty reasonable. We'll take a look at it.

Just a note, sometimes there's a reason for stuff like this being how it is, even if it's not truly 'correct'.

For example, if we buff a player too much, even if it's justified, then the AI will start using a player where we don't want.

Like if we buff Zimmer's D, then the AI may suddenly decide to make him the starting RF over Tapia and throw the Blue Jays default lineup off. Or make him the starting CF and move Springer to a corner. Or whatever.

Not sure if this is was the case here, but I just mention it more as a general thing to be aware of in similar cases.

Taking a closer look at the Blue Jays outfield now and I remember it was a bit of a mess to try to get this right.

Looks like the theoretical the case I took with Zimmer in right is actually how we have it set up right now. I think maybe rosterresource was projecting him to start in right at some point when we set things up?

Anyway we'll do some tinkering and make some adjustments here to try to get things looking a little better here to more closely match the lineup the Blue Jays have been going with so far this year.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by rpriske

Hey there. I started a Blue Jays game and the ratings make them make odd decisions.

The AI wants Lourdes Gurriel to start at 1B instead of Vladimir Guerrero (who is at DH). Gurriel doesn't play 1B IRL while Guerrero is quite a decent 1Bman.

It also moves Bo Bichette over to 2B and puts Santiago Espinal at SS. Bichette is not a great SS, but Espinal is not known for SS either.

It also starts Zimmer in RF over Tapia, but that is a more minor issue.

Thanks for the feedback!

Out of all this, all the AI does for me is the Zimmer over Tapia thing in RF. Will try to adjust that.

But starting a new fresh game, with scouting off, the AI is using Bichette at SS, Vladdy at 1B and Espinal as a backup IF.

If you have scouting on though, that may influence how the AI sees things.

Or, if the ratings are pretty finely balanced where a few guys are right on the verge of the AI preferring them over someone else at a key position, then a little development in game can throw this off and set off a chain reaction.

Originally Posted by rpriske

(They also say the Jays are expected to finish 81-81 when most writers have them as the top team in the AL, but hey. That part is opinion.)

The preseason predictions are just based on the game simming through three test seasons in the background and taking the average results, so it can happen that if you get a bad sim, that this gets thrown off.

[Lukas Berger]

Ugh, I remember this now.

Getting Zimmer, Tapia, Gurriel Jr and Teoscar Hernandez to correctly slot in for the Blue Jays corner OF spots is just about impossible.

I tweaked some stuff here a bit, but it's still not quite right. It's the best we can do though, for the moment.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Ugh, I remember this now.

Getting Zimmer, Tapia, Gurriel Jr and Teoscar Hernandez to correctly slot in for the Blue Jays corner OF spots is just about impossible.

I tweaked some stuff here a bit, but it's still not quite right. It's the best we can do though, for the moment.

I don't know if this is beyond the scope, but for the defense ratings are you able to say what they 'should' be (if AI decision-making wasn't a factor) - including making Lourdes or Teoscar worse defensively if they're currently being a bit propped up to help the AI start them - so that I can use true outfield ratings for my Jays sim (where AI decision-making is a non-factor)? I do fully understand if that's not something you're able to do but thought I'd ask.

Thanks for all of this this. I realize that the Jays OF is a bit of a mess haha.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I do fully understand if that's not something you're able to do but thought I'd ask.

No, sorry really not even possible to say on that

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

No, sorry really not even possible to say on that

Understandable. Thanks again for all you do!

[md40022]

Originally Posted by rpriske

It also moves Bo Bichette over to 2B and puts Santiago Espinal at SS. Bichette is not a great SS, but Espinal is not known for SS either.

AI seems to love moving Tim Anderson the 2B as well. Similar situation with Anderson, like Bichette, not being a great SS, but as there is no good SS behind him the move doesn't make much sense.



Makes even less sense when you factor in Anderson and Bichette both being young all-star players who you normally wouldn't rock the boat with position changes with.



I'm not even complaining - I'm sure programming that type of stuff is beyond challenging. But since you brought up Bichette, I definitely noticed the exact same thing with Anderson.

[CField17]

This game has the Tigers having 2 DSL teams, when in reality they only have 1

[Miramichine]

During the last two Live Starts I have attempted after the latest patch, on May 1st, on both the Braves and Diamondbacks, all of the 40 man roster players have disappeared. You can search for them and they still exist...saying that they are still part of their teams, however they are not on the 26 man rosters, 40 man rosters, lineups or pitching staffs.

Players are not on waivers, DFA, IL, FA etc, they have simply disappeared from the visible rosters.

The rosters and lineups and pitching staffs have been populated by the remaining best players from the teams.

It doesn't appear to affect the other teams.

Anyone have ideas, suggestions?

Thank you,

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Miramichine

During the last two Live Starts I have attempted after the latest patch, on May 1st, on both the Braves and Diamondbacks, all of the 40 man roster players have disappeared. You can search for them and they still exist...saying that they are still part of their teams, however they are not on the 26 man rosters, 40 man rosters, lineups or pitching staffs.

Players are not on waivers, DFA, IL, FA etc, they have simply disappeared from the visible rosters.

The rosters and lineups and pitching staffs have been populated by the remaining best players from the teams.

It doesn't appear to affect the other teams.

Anyone have ideas, suggestions?

Thank you,

We'd really need to see a copy of the league files where this is happening. If you can upload them (just the .dat files) to Dropbox or Google Drive or another sharing site and post the link, then we can take a look at this.

[Miramichine]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We'd really need to see a copy of the league files where this is happening. If you can upload them (just the .dat files) to Dropbox or Google Drive or another sharing site and post the link, then we can take a look at this.

I've manually fixed it on both teams for now. I will sim through day by day to see if it happens again to these two teams or others. If it does I will start another Live Start, then if it happens again on 1 May, I will send you the files. This is a little frustrating though as you can imagine; having to check every teams' roster to see if their players have disappeared slows things down considerably, with a corresponding reduction of my enjoyment.

Will keep you in the loop.

[Miramichine]

Yeah, happened again. Every time on 28 May 2022 (4 Live start games in a row). Both the Braves and the DBacks. Specifically which files do you need be to upload? Thanks

[LansdowneSt]

When looking for files, usually it is the .dat files (and only those, not everything in the .lg folder). On a PC, the .dats for a league file are here:

C:\Users\NAME\Documents\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 23\saved_games\New Game 4.lg

So, in that New Game4.lg folder of mine are about 18 .dat files to zip. Those are the files.

[Miramichine]

Thanks man.

[wallewalls]

Just a couple of incorrect jersey numbers for the Yankees:

Miguel Castro is wearing 11 in-game. He wears number 30.
Tim Locastro is wearing 18 in-game. He wears number 33.
Michael King is wearing 73 in-game. He wears number 34.

[southside_hitmen]

White Sox uniform # changes
RP Kyle Crick -> #59
RP Bennett Sousa -> #67
SP Vince Velasquez -> #23
SP Tanner Banks -> #57
SP Jason Bilous -> #70
RP Anderson Severino -> #62
C Reese McGuire -> #21
1B Jake Burger -> #30
3B Romy Gonzalez -> #12
1B Gavin Sheets -> #32
CF Adam Haseley -> #51
RF AJ Pollock -> #18

[negroleagueenthusiast]

I have no idea where to put this, but Georgia Tech C Kevin Parada is a true sophomore, not a RS sophomore.

Also, Tim Borden is at Georgia Tech not Louisville.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by negroleagueenthusiast

I have no idea where to put this, but Georgia Tech C Kevin Parada is a true sophomore, not a RS sophomore.

Also, Tim Borden is at Georgia Tech not Louisville.

Parada has to be set as a RS to make him eligible for this year's draft, as the game doesn't recognize true sophomore eligibles.

Borden already got moved to Georgia Tech last week. We'll concentrate quite a bit on updating ratings and adding players/adjusting schools etc for the draft in the next few month or two, so you should see a lot of changes here coming up with each patch.

[negroleagueenthusiast]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Parada has to be set as a RS to make him eligible for this year's draft, as the game doesn't recognize true sophomore eligibles.

Borden already got moved to Georgia Tech last week. We'll concentrate quite a bit on updating ratings and adding players/adjusting schools etc for the draft in the next few month or two, so you should see a lot of changes here coming up with each patch.

Awesome. I’ll let you know if I notice anything else.

[BBGiovanni]

I noticed something in the database, and without getting into research about German citizenship laws or the meaning of birthplace/citizenship, I report the following. I'm comparing actual totals/percentages of MLB-signed players to come up with better international scouting percentages, and noticed that the following three players are listed as "German" with US second nationality:

Brendan Donovan (STL)
Phoenix Sanders (AA/TB)
Chris Holba (DSL/STL) (MiLB lists him in the FCL now, I dunno if this was an AI decision but anyway)

I'm changing these guys to be "American" with "German" as 2nd nationality for purposes of my project. Each was born in Germany to US expat parents and grew up in the US. So they seem to be "American" for OOTP database purposes, but I have no idea about their actual passport/citizenship statuses. Everything about German citizenship I know from reading wikipedia for 5 minutes, but as I understand that pre-2000 only people with one German citizen parent acquired citizenship automatically by place of birth (jus soli).

Sorry for the pedantry/minutia, but I thought it was interesting and worth pointing out. I've always assumed these Edwin Jackson type characters to be noncitizens but maybe they've been coded this way to increase chances they participate on German teams in international play. Do with this info what you will! :P

Edit: Isaiah Campbell (AA/SEA) was born on the island of Terceira in the Azores, not Lisbon. He was born to American parents, so it's a similar situation to the foregoing (adding the fun of the Azores being an autonomous region that's separate in the OOTP database). That article says he was in Turkey by age 5, so he didn't even spend much time in Portugal. Austin Brice is listed as Hongkonger but he was born to expats during the transition period so might have British citizenship but went to HS and college in the US. I couldn't find detailed information on Harold Grant and Justin Connell, both listed as Spaniard because they were born in Barcelona, but they look like Navy kids to me from their bio data.