Design philosophies and the non-release of OOTP 23

[skepskepskep]

Originally Posted by Sweed

As is should be You really should just PM Markus so you can get him up to speed.


That voice you're hearing in the background is your Mom calling you to breakfast. Be a good boy and run along.

You're a horrible human being that needs a long look in the mirror.

[Mat]

So that would be a yes.

No wonder...Markus.. your delay in PT is ruining his retirement fund!

[skepskepskep]

No, that would be a no. I don't need income. I stream because I love the game and I love sharing my love of the game with others.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

no, that would be a no. I don't need income. I stream because i love the game and i love sharing my love of the game with others.

ootp?

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

Saying the engine is fine means more specifically that the PRIORITY for "fixing" the engine is well behind the priority of having PT live on release.

The changes to the engine could have been done months ago and had zero impact on switching over to the new PT infrastructure. ALL of the changes to base game could have had zero impact for all you know. You also assume the same people working on those features in the game would have been responsible for doing the work to change infrastructure for PT. You don’t know if any of that work had any impact on the issues impacting PT. However, you come to the forums and on discord and just spew verbal diarrhea all over the place, acting like you’re king and demanding people’s heads, while also dismissing the core user base as if they don’t matter in the slightest.

I really hope OOTP severs any kind of relationship it has with you with how you acted here and on Discord. You have no place acting as any ambassador or affiliate promoting the game.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

No longer a simulation game with an online perfect team mode, this is a perfect team game with an offline simulation mode.

I do not have the slightest clue how you come to this conclusion, to be honest.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Chimaera

I really hope OOTP severs any kind of relationship it has with you with how you acted here and on Discord. You have no place acting as any ambassador or affiliate promoting the game.

100%

I know OOTP has taken some fire for their handling of the delay (which I don't agree with, but I have definitely seen it), but to me what would be inexcusable would be allowing this person to at all represent or be affiliated with OOTP moving forward.

[skepskepskep]

I'll always be associated with the game, as an ambassador for the game and the community. If OOTP wants drops on my twitch for 23, literally free marketing for them from a passionate member of the perfect team community, that's their prerogative. Killing drops for such a stream would be a big mistake, but I'm not the one who makes that call.

[skepskepskep]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I do not have the slightest clue how you come to this conclusion, to be honest.

This is indicative of the problem. You don't even realize what your game is to your userbase or potential future userbase.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

I'll always be associated with the game, as an ambassador for the game and the community. If OOTP wants drops on my twitch for 23, literally free marketing for them from a passionate member of the perfect team community, that's their prerogative. Killing drops for such a stream would be a big mistake, but I'm not the one who makes that call.

Which community are you an ambassador for? The one here where everyone is telling you to pound sand, or the one on discord where everyone is laughing at you and telling you to pound sand?

If you are saying one thing and the whole room is telling you they don't agree, you're no longer an ambassador for that group and you certainly don't speak for them.

[skepskepskep]

I'm an ambassador for the game and Perfect Team community and this has not nor will it change.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

I'm an ambassador for the game and Perfect Team community and this has not nor will it change.

The same Perfect Team community on discord that unanimously this morning laughed at you and told you over and over how wrong you were and that you didn't speak for them or represent them?

[Scott83]

My god - how self centred and arrogant can one person be!

What an absolutely ridiculous post!

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by Scott83

My god - how self centred and arrogant can one person be!

What an absolutely ridiculous post!

The Emperor (or should I say "Ambassador") has no clothes, and is just now finding out that he is a laughing stock among the members of the community that he thinks he represents and speaks for.

[skepskepskep]

You're referring to a vocal few, I represent the majority which mostly have given up on the game right now.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

I've played the game (Perfect Team) since 20 released and bought back to 19. The game you are talking about is the game of the past and I don't care about it at all. I am the present and the future and you'll have to get used to this and understand that it is best for your game too that this be the reality.

I believe there are some provocative, and to my mind not entirely invalid, philosophical arguments in your initial post to start this thread, even if my visceral reaction is to hope that you are mostly wrong.

But statements like the one above undercut any hopes you might have of starting an actual useful dialogue rather than just poking a hornet's nest. This sort of rhetoric also belies the very first sentence of your original post in this thread: "I respect and admire the history of OOTP as an offline baseball simulation tool."
When you dismiss the core game in such a disrespectful tone as you have above, you also disrespect the developers and a great many of your fellow gamers.

For someone who is a self-described promoter and ambassador of the game, the further you dug yourself in as this thread went on, the more I had to think of the old saying: with friends like this, who needs enemies?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

This is indicative of the problem. You don't even realize what your game is to your userbase or potential future userbase.

Maybe it's you that doesn't realize what HIS game is to HIS userbase or potential userbase?

You are responding to the man that literally made the game from nothing other than an idea in his mind. He's been doing just fine without you for 20+ years Don't worry about Markus, he'll be just fine.

So, in the end, Markus created OOTP and made it into a successful business. You? Well, you taught yourself how to count cards. Well done.

[Scott83]

Your channel has 498 subscribers - hardly the majority that you claim to speak on behalf of.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by skepskepskep

You're referring to a vocal few, I represent the majority which mostly have given up on the game right now.

As Markus has said, you can always request a refund.

I’m one of the OG’s around here. Been around here for almost 20 years. Markus is dedicated to OOTP unlike many other developers of sports games. He cares about his customers/users.

How many developers of other sports games are as responsive as Markus?

I’m confident that Markus and company will have Perfect Team up and running in no time.


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[silvam14]

wow, amazing thread