1920 and Forward With No Color Barrier

[JerryShoe]

I'd like to do a project with integrated baseball starting with 1920 (the first season I can find with reliable Negro League information). I would expand the AL and NL by 2 teams each (as the NFL did with the AAFC and the NBA with the ABA) with NNL teams. Rookies, trades and free agents will integrate each team. I'd like to hear from those who have played with Negro Leaguers if the statistics would be (somewhat) reliable. For instance, Oscar Charleson hit .353 that year in just under 400 PAs (a fairly good number), which is reasonable. Would he hit roughly that in this OOTP world? I wouldn't expect pure accuracy, and even the ALers and NLers would have big changes, but if you tell me that I might see .253 or .453 from him please let me know as the project would no longer interest me. Thanks!

[sprague]

Originally Posted by JerryShoe

I'd like to do a project with integrated baseball starting with 1920 (the first season I can find with reliable Negro League information). I would expand the AL and NL by 2 teams each (as the NFL did with the AAFC and the NBA with the ABA) with NNL teams. Rookies, trades and free agents will integrate each team. I'd like to hear from those who have played with Negro Leaguers if the statistics would be (somewhat) reliable. For instance, Oscar Charleson hit .353 that year in just under 400 PAs (a fairly good number), which is reasonable. Would he hit roughly that in this OOTP world? I wouldn't expect pure accuracy, and even the ALers and NLers would have big changes, but if you tell me that I might see .253 or .453 from him please let me know as the project would no longer interest me. Thanks!

You cant expand.
If you are playing with historical minors the game wont let you change any of the leagues.
You could play standard but you would then have to manualy import all the negro players.
I consider it a big problem with the historical minors.
You might want to try the Spritze database which would give you the negro players and allow you to expand or have any set up you want

[thehef]

Originally Posted by sprague

You cant expand.
If you are playing with historical minors the game wont let you change any of the leagues.
You could play standard but you would then have to manualy import all the negro players.
I consider it a big problem with the historical minors.
You might want to try the Spritze database which would give you the negro players and allow you to expand or have any set up you want

I think this can be done, but you'd need to edit the csv files that drive the annual structural changes to all leagues (and perhaps other files will need editing). For the first year creation/import, you would be bound by the OOTP structure for both majors and minors. However, once you progress beyond your first season, the csv files drive structure. I am 100% certain on this for minors, and somewhat sure on majors.

That's not to say there wouldn't be other challenges, but I think it can be done...

As for this...

Originally Posted by JerryShoe

I'd like to hear from those who have played with Negro Leaguers if the statistics would be (somewhat) reliable. For instance, Oscar Charleson hit .353 that year in just under 400 PAs (a fairly good number), which is reasonable. Would he hit roughly that in this OOTP world? I wouldn't expect pure accuracy, and even the ALers and NLers would have big changes, but if you tell me that I might see .253 or .453 from him please let me know as the project would no longer interest me.

You might run into some issues here. I am not an expert on Negro Leaguers & how they perform in OOTP, but it seems that many who play with Negro Leaguers are not happy with how they (under?) perform in a Major League environment. So I would suggest getting some feedback from those gamers before undertaking changes to the game's files...

[quillenl]

1. Def can be done. I'd redone my structure based on experimentation of someone here in the forums (prob was thehef. Played real minors for 100 years of simulations with 4 tiers of minors and expansion occurring where and how I wanted it.

It is a TREMENDOUS amount of work in my opinion. I lost my hard drive info due to a PC failure and decided it wasn't worth the hassle a second time. It is not so much as it is difficult (when given instructions) as it is incredibly tedious and even small errors in some pretty repetitive tasks result in bad results. I do not recommend unless you are a data monkey who enjoys those sort of masochistic endeavors.

For Negro league players. If you are playing recalc they will be awful relative to how they performed in the Negro leagues. Stats will be equivalent of performance in the minors. If you are using the talent development engine you will see better results. They'll decent potentials and guys like Oscar Charleston will have solid Majr League careers.

Minor League database players, though, when using the talent development engine, will have a whole lot more spread in their career results than playing with the normal historical database. I regularly see Steve Carlton not make it out of the minors or someone like Larry Sorenson become the league GOAT. If you want players to perform similar to their real life careers... real minors and talent development engine won't get you what you are looking for (even at a randomness setting of 1) imho.

[JerryShoe]

Thanks to all of you for your time, it might be fun to try it out.

[snarls200]

Originally Posted by thehef

You might run into some issues here. I am not an expert on Negro Leaguers & how they perform in OOTP, but it seems that many who play with Negro Leaguers are not happy with how they (under?) perform in a Major League environment. So I would suggest getting some feedback from those gamers before undertaking changes to the game's files...

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the issue is that until late 2020 MLB did not classify the Negro Leagues as Major League