Historical Players - Fictional Leagues - Page 2

jparker2112 · 03-28-2022, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Help the stupid guy out. Quality QS? Ah...Quick Start. Damn it. I really should've done that. I backup my games like crazy, so I never think of something as smart as that. I'm better with the regular vanilla historical structure for RD games. If you want them with a fictional structure, David Watts or The Game are two guys I would have a chat with. Otherwise, just start a game, and select (I believe) Random Rookies. There's no magic to what I do, except that I limit the draft to five rounds, and use unlimited reserve rosters. I use No Minimum, and No Maximum for the minimum & maximum years setting on the Game Settings > League Settings > Historical tab

That way, if I happen to add in player seasons that go beyond the year that historical stats run through, they'll be covered. In other words, my current 35 season game is in OOTP21, which has historical stats through 2019, but if I add in players and their stats from OOTP22, and OOTP23, I'll be able to use those guys in my game, too.

Gotcha! That makes sense. Ill reach out to the other dudes too. I think what ive screwed up in the past is making my world too big with too many draft rounds. ive made a bunch of fictional logos/unis etc and just want em all in my world...but things always seem to go wonky. Ill keep messing around with it and see if i come on to the world that really clicks for me. Thanks bud!!

actionjackson · 03-28-2022, 04:14 PM

Keep it simple, and keep it small. Don't make the AI think too much. Keep the draft size low, and you'll be able to tack on more years in your game. I can get about 150 years out of mine, and I'm hoping to get there this time. Had a 63 year one before. I act as commissioner/historian, because when I managed a team, I would fidget a lot, and only get through 2 seasons, before the next version was available. You don't get to see a HoF that way, or develop some history. Just things to ponder.

I experimented so much with settings during my first version (OOTPX), and got them exactly where I want them. Takes me about five minutes to set up a game from scratch, now.

BirdWatcher · 03-28-2022, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Keep it simple, and keep it small. Don't make the AI think too much. Keep the draft size low, and you'll be able to tack on more years in your game. I can get about 150 years out of mine, and I'm hoping to get there this time. Had a 63 year one before. I act as commissioner/historian, because when I managed a team, I would fidget a lot, and only get through 2 seasons, before the next version was available. You don't get to see a HoF that way, or develop some history. Just things to ponder.

I experimented so much with settings during my first version (OOTPX), and got them exactly where I want them. Takes me about five minutes to set up a game from scratch, now.

I have only slightly dabbled in Random Debut leagues in the past (mostly having been inspired to try by you and David Watts) and play pretty much exclusively entirely fictional now, but the basic message above (particularly "keep it simple, and keep it small") rings so true to my experience as well and I think is the main reason my fictional W.P. Kinsella league has been such a sustainable success for me.

nokmirt · 03-29-2022, 12:31 AM

I started a random debut league today. My start year is 1990 and used players from 1960 to 1993. Hmm Don Mattingly is on the Toronto Blue Jays. I am thinking of trading for him. I never traded on this game before. Anyway, we'll see how it goes with my Cincinnati Reds in the meantime. My owner wants me to play less than .500 ball. I think I have a better team than that. For this game I have turned on about everything on to get my feet wet. It should be interesting that's for sure.

italyprof · 03-29-2022, 12:09 PM

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Create a Historical League. On the first page, click "players from all eras" and the put the minimum and maximum years the players will come from. Click also what year you want the game itself to start in.

QUOTE=graniteknighte;4876306]Related to this topic: in OOTP 22 or 23, is it possible to create a historical league (say using the Phillies) but with all historical players from say 1900-2022)

How would I do this?[/QUOTE]

jparker2112 · 03-29-2022, 01:41 PM

I get the small league and draft idea for sure! Is there a way to have both RD and fictional players in the draft? Perhaps so it can go longer than 150 years?

actionjackson · 03-29-2022, 07:28 PM

I play from 1901. Using MLB the way it expanded, you can get through 2050, using a five round draft. Probably best to not use minor leagues with a five round draft. I use unlimited reserve rosters. There have been somewhere around 20,000 players that have passed through MLB, so it's definitely doable.

actionjackson · 03-29-2022, 07:35 PM

Didn't read your question all the way through. I don't usually mix in fictional dudes, but I'm pretty sure that if you go to:

Game Settings > League Settings > Rules > Amateur Draft Settings

I have the "Disable automatic creation of free agents and fictional draft class" box checked. I would imagine that if you uncheck that, you'll get what you're looking for.

Mike D · 03-31-2022, 06:43 PM

Biggest problem with doing this is you can’t fix for players who started as a reliever then became a starter. Doing a fictional with Random Debut and Chris Sale and Srik Bedard both imported with 2 and 1 stamina respectively.

David Watts · 04-01-2022, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Biggest problem with doing this is you can’t fix for players who started as a reliever then became a starter. Doing a fictional with Random Debut and Chris Sale and Srik Bedard both imported with 2 and 1 stamina respectively.

I do fictional with random debut from within the historical game, so I never have the problem with Sale or Bedard you just described. They may start as relievers as they did in real life, but recalc will quickly have them starting just as they did in real life. If I choose to play without recalc, I will set "base pitcher stamina" to "full career" and in doing so, prevent guys like Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez, Sale and Bedard from being career relievers.

Mike D · 04-01-2022, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I do fictional with random debut from within the historical game, so I never have the problem with Sale or Bedard you just described. They may start as relievers as they did in real life, but recalc will quickly have them starting just as they did in real life. If I choose to play without recalc, I will set "base pitcher stamina" to "full career" and in doing so, prevent guys like Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez, Sale and Bedard from being career relievers.

I don’t do recalc. And you don’t have those options if you start a fictional league and then add random debut. I prefer to do fictional players as a base and then have random debut rookies. You don’t have the option once you create the league to set base pitcher stamina to fill once the league is created. Or at least I’ve never seen it

David Watts · 04-01-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

I don’t do recalc. And you don’t have those options if you start a fictional league and then add random debut. I prefer to do fictional players as a base and then have random debut rookies. You don’t have the option once you create the league to set base pitcher stamina to fill once the league is created. Or at least I’ve never seen it

That might be something worth asking Markus to add as an option. Heck, based on what you're describing, I'm guessing Babe Ruth never becomes offensive stud either.

BigRed75 · 04-03-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Oh, actionjackson, all I see is so many facegens in need of redoing....

Glad to know that I wasn't the only one with that reaction!

Raindrops · 04-04-2022, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

Short answer is yes. I create a custom fictional league every year and fill it with historical teams, e.g. 1967 RedSox, 2010 Rangers, etc.

I would not consider that a fictional league would be a Historical fantasy what if a league is a fictional league you would be able to create your own teams with Historical players

Nuggett · 04-21-2022, 07:18 PM

Not sure if I am missing a step or can't do what I am looking for.

I am trying to set-up a fictional league (non MLB) and use historical players with random debuts.

Can this be done as I can not seem to add historical players when trying to set this up?

Thanks.

Hooray Saturday · 04-21-2022, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggett

Not sure if I am missing a step or can't do what I am looking for.

I am trying to set-up a fictional league (non MLB) and use historical players with random debuts.

Can this be done as I can not seem to add historical players when trying to set this up?

Thanks.

could you start a random debut historical league and then randomize cities and nicknames to turn it fictional?

Beirnej1 · 04-21-2022, 11:17 PM

Start the game as a historical league and then delete the real teams and replace with fictional teams/cities

Nuggett · 04-22-2022, 10:16 AM

Thanks.

I do have a template done that imports properly.

I was hoping I did not have to recreate this template and input the structure manually, but maybe I do not have a choice if I want to use historical players.

03-31-2022, 06:43 PM	#29
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Biggest problem with doing this is you can’t fix for players who started as a reliever then became a starter. Doing a fictional with Random Debut and Chris Sale and Srik Bedard both imported with 2 and 1 stamina respectively. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-28-2022, 04:14 PM	#22
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	Keep it simple, and keep it small. Don't make the AI think too much. Keep the draft size low, and you'll be able to tack on more years in your game. I can get about 150 years out of mine, and I'm hoping to get there this time. Had a 63 year one before. I act as commissioner/historian, because when I managed a team, I would fidget a lot, and only get through 2 seasons, before the next version was available. You don't get to see a HoF that way, or develop some history. Just things to ponder. I experimented so much with settings during my first version (OOTPX), and got them exactly where I want them. Takes me about five minutes to set up a game from scratch, now.

03-29-2022, 12:31 AM	#24
nokmirt Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Iowa Posts: 74	I started a random debut league today. My start year is 1990 and used players from 1960 to 1993. Hmm Don Mattingly is on the Toronto Blue Jays. I am thinking of trading for him. I never traded on this game before. Anyway, we'll see how it goes with my Cincinnati Reds in the meantime. My owner wants me to play less than .500 ball. I think I have a better team than that. For this game I have turned on about everything on to get my feet wet. It should be interesting that's for sure.

03-29-2022, 12:09 PM	#25
italyprof All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,024	[ Create a Historical League. On the first page, click "players from all eras" and the put the minimum and maximum years the players will come from. Click also what year you want the game itself to start in. QUOTE=graniteknighte;4876306]Related to this topic: in OOTP 22 or 23, is it possible to create a historical league (say using the Phillies) but with all historical players from say 1900-2022) How would I do this?[/QUOTE]

03-29-2022, 01:41 PM	#26
jparker2112 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Denver CO Posts: 864	I get the small league and draft idea for sure! Is there a way to have both RD and fictional players in the draft? Perhaps so it can go longer than 150 years?

03-29-2022, 07:28 PM	#27
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	I play from 1901. Using MLB the way it expanded, you can get through 2050, using a five round draft. Probably best to not use minor leagues with a five round draft. I use unlimited reserve rosters. There have been somewhere around 20,000 players that have passed through MLB, so it's definitely doable.

03-29-2022, 07:35 PM	#28
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	Didn't read your question all the way through. I don't usually mix in fictional dudes, but I'm pretty sure that if you go to: Game Settings > League Settings > Rules > Amateur Draft Settings I have the "Disable automatic creation of free agents and fictional draft class" box checked. I would imagine that if you uncheck that, you'll get what you're looking for.

04-21-2022, 07:18 PM	#35
Nuggett Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 275	Not sure if I am missing a step or can't do what I am looking for. I am trying to set-up a fictional league (non MLB) and use historical players with random debuts. Can this be done as I can not seem to add historical players when trying to set this up? Thanks.

04-21-2022, 11:17 PM	#37
Beirnej1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 115	Start the game as a historical league and then delete the real teams and replace with fictional teams/cities

04-22-2022, 10:16 AM	#38
Nuggett Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 275	Thanks. I do have a template done that imports properly. I was hoping I did not have to recreate this template and input the structure manually, but maybe I do not have a choice if I want to use historical players.