How do you teach new positions?

thomamon · 11-07-2003, 11:49 PM

I am reading that people are teaching players new positions, I was wondering how you go about doing that?

Thanks

Carlton · 11-07-2003, 11:56 PM

click and drag a minor league player into the lineup, you will be given the option of assigning him any position

thomamon · 11-08-2003, 05:07 PM

That's it? I thought it would be more complicated then that.

Thanks,

TM

Kelric · 11-08-2003, 05:43 PM

You can do the same to big league players by the way, I just wouldn't recommend it.

thomamon · 11-09-2003, 12:22 AM

You don't recommend it for Major Leaguers or Minors?

Thanks,

Tom

Kelric · 11-09-2003, 02:39 AM

I wouldn't recommend it for major leaguers. Defense is an important part of winning games in OOTP, and a player playing out of position on the big league club can really hurt you.

Carlton · 11-09-2003, 02:15 PM

except Kelric if it's a 1B

I once put Ellis Burks in at 1B with no rating and after 2 weeks he developed an E range with a .983 F% at 1B.

All other positions take Kelric's advice, it might cost you alot of games, but it CAN be done, just not recommended.

However, if you have a really talented SS and have a SS that is good enough to hold down the spot, and don't mind losing a game or two here and there with errors, plug that 1st SS at 3b or 2b, he more than likely will develop a range and F% in 2 to 3 weeks

thomamon · 11-09-2003, 03:08 PM

But can they actually develope good range and be a good fielder at these positions?

TM

Rowleyball · 11-09-2003, 04:50 PM

They usually won't have the same range as their primary position, but if they're a good fielder to begin with they should be passable at their second position. It's best to teach guys to play different positions in the minors, and sometimes you can develop really useful utility players who can play almost anywhere. Versatility is a really nice thing to have at the major league level.

jmaness84 · 11-09-2003, 05:00 PM

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But can they actually develope good range and be a good fielder at these positions?

Absolutely. If you have a SS with a fielding range of A and a fielding % of say .990, then they could possibly learn 2b or 3b w/ an A rating and possibly a fielding % of over .990. Usually the better the fielder is at a position, then the better he will learn a position. This is the general rule i go by:
Only attempt to these position players to learn these positions
1b- 3b, LF,RF
2b-1b, SS,2b,3b, LF,RF,CF
SS-1b, SS,2b,3b, LF,RF,CF
3b- 2b, LF, RF, 1b
LF- CF, RF, 1b, 3b (If RH), 2b maybe if he is fast and has a good fielding rating in the OF (If RH)
CF- LF, RF, 1b, 3b (If RH), 2b & SS maybe if he is fast and has a good fielding rating in the OF (If RH)
RF-LF, CF, 1b, 3b (If RH), 2b & SS maybe if he is fast and has a good fielding rating in the OF (If RH)

For Catchers.... well im not experienced in that so i could not reccommend it

joncarlos · 11-09-2003, 10:27 PM

I never knew guys could learn new positions at the major league level. That would be awesome if true. Justin Morneau, meet left field

SandMan · 11-09-2003, 10:54 PM

Craig Biggio was a catcher who went to 2nd base and did okay....

Dale Murphy was a strong armed catcher who threw so many into CF they moved him there - he also did okay in the majors.....

There have been many who have learned a new position in the majors but I wanted to post the best two that I can remember.....

thomamon · 11-09-2003, 11:00 PM

We will see how Alfonso Soriano does next year. He was already moved from SS to 2B. Now he may be headed to the outfield.

I think this is a great aspect to this game and was actually going to suggest it for the next version. It's too bad it was so hard to find out. Are there any other hidden gems in the game?

I was hoping there was a way to send a major leaguer to winter ball to learn new positions.

andjbock · 11-10-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by joncarlos
I never knew guys could learn new positions at the major league level. That would be awesome if true. Justin Morneau, meet left field

My starting SS was a minor league 3B and is now a SS with a D range and .950 fielding %. It took him 50 games at SS before he got a range of E and a fielding %. He was a D to begin with at 3B, so it took him a full year of playing to get where he is now.

LJR · 11-10-2003, 01:14 AM

its really interesting when u put a player not rated to be a catcher behind the plate....he'll still throw out players similar to a E arm player, but likely will average over one passed ball per game....:-) Heck, in one game i had him play at catcher none other than Morneau had 4 passed balls in one game, allowing 3 unearned runs to score....(only reason he was behind the plate was that he had unlearned catching apparently, something i was unaware of until that game....in 15 games he caught, he had 23 passed balls....)

Cooker · 11-10-2003, 12:01 PM

I have a 22 yr. old 4 blue star prospect in AAA rated "B" for range in both LF and RF. I moved him to 1B to "teach" him 1B as a new position.

I got an email in only 3 days saying he'd made noticeable progress, blah blah blah, and is now rated "E" at 1B.

Three days is the fastest I've ever seen any player learn a new position in the minors. Can anyone beat it?

Rowleyball · 11-10-2003, 02:20 PM

I had something odd the other day. My major league catcher, who was a rookie the year before, learned to play 1B out of nowhere. He had played a little first the year before, maybe totalling 6 games. Then in between spring training and opening day the following season I get a message saying he's learned how to play 1B. I didn't try to teach it to him during spring training or anything. All he had were the few games the season before.

cesser · 11-10-2003, 03:38 PM

In my online league we just had the first round of this year's amateur draft last night. I had the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 10th picks in the draft (after trading away some vets) and low and behold I wound up getting three designated hitters among those four picks (the only three in the entire draft, but they are all either Brilliant hitting and/or Brilliant homer talent). I'll be teaching them 1st, 3rd, and LF in the minors to begin with. Hope this won't affect their hitting too much since they don't know ANY position to start with. I did have a DH pick in last year's draft and he learned how to play 1B (E range), and, ironically, he received talent boosts in hitting, walks, and homers. Guess it can go either way.

joncarlos · 11-10-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Cooker
Three days is the fastest I've ever seen any player learn a new position in the minors. Can anyone beat it?

Bill Hall learned third base in ONE day for me. He was a B at both 2B and SS and I thought he'd make a nice utility guy. Moved him to 3B and bam, next day, Bill has made noticeable progress, and he's a B at third too!!!

Cooker · 11-11-2003, 02:08 PM

joncarlos wrote: Bill Hall learned third base in ONE day for me.

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Wow, one day! That beats my best of three days by ... let's see ... by two days!

Seriously, that's pretty amazing. Right now I'm trying to teach new positions to half a dozen players on my minor league teams. Although it seems that ordinarily the younger a player is the faster he learns a new position, I'm not finding any quick learners on my minor league roster right now!

Like most things in OOTP5, the total lack of predictability is great (though sometimes frustrating).

11-07-2003, 11:49 PM	#1
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	How do you teach new positions? I am reading that people are teaching players new positions, I was wondering how you go about doing that? Thanks

11-07-2003, 11:56 PM	#2
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11-09-2003, 02:15 PM	#7
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	except Kelric if it's a 1B I once put Ellis Burks in at 1B with no rating and after 2 weeks he developed an E range with a .983 F% at 1B. All other positions take Kelric's advice, it might cost you alot of games, but it CAN be done, just not recommended. However, if you have a really talented SS and have a SS that is good enough to hold down the spot, and don't mind losing a game or two here and there with errors, plug that 1st SS at 3b or 2b, he more than likely will develop a range and F% in 2 to 3 weeks __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

11-09-2003, 10:27 PM	#11
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11-09-2003, 11:00 PM	#13
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	We will see how Alfonso Soriano does next year. He was already moved from SS to 2B. Now he may be headed to the outfield. I think this is a great aspect to this game and was actually going to suggest it for the next version. It's too bad it was so hard to find out. Are there any other hidden gems in the game? I was hoping there was a way to send a major leaguer to winter ball to learn new positions. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

11-08-2003, 05:07 PM	#3
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	That's it? I thought it would be more complicated then that. Thanks, TM

11-08-2003, 05:43 PM	#4
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	You can do the same to big league players by the way, I just wouldn't recommend it.

11-09-2003, 12:22 AM	#5
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	You don't recommend it for Major Leaguers or Minors? Thanks, Tom

11-09-2003, 02:39 AM	#6
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I wouldn't recommend it for major leaguers. Defense is an important part of winning games in OOTP, and a player playing out of position on the big league club can really hurt you.

11-09-2003, 03:08 PM	#8
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	But can they actually develope good range and be a good fielder at these positions? TM

11-09-2003, 04:50 PM	#9
Rowleyball Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 265	They usually won't have the same range as their primary position, but if they're a good fielder to begin with they should be passable at their second position. It's best to teach guys to play different positions in the minors, and sometimes you can develop really useful utility players who can play almost anywhere. Versatility is a really nice thing to have at the major league level.

11-09-2003, 10:54 PM	#12
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Craig Biggio was a catcher who went to 2nd base and did okay.... Dale Murphy was a strong armed catcher who threw so many into CF they moved him there - he also did okay in the majors..... There have been many who have learned a new position in the majors but I wanted to post the best two that I can remember.....

11-10-2003, 01:14 AM	#15
LJR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Location: CA Posts: 43	its really interesting when u put a player not rated to be a catcher behind the plate....he'll still throw out players similar to a E arm player, but likely will average over one passed ball per game....:-) Heck, in one game i had him play at catcher none other than Morneau had 4 passed balls in one game, allowing 3 unearned runs to score....(only reason he was behind the plate was that he had unlearned catching apparently, something i was unaware of until that game....in 15 games he caught, he had 23 passed balls....) __________________ Irvine Gang Green (BSA): West Division Champs: 2021, 25,26,28,29,31,35 NL Pennant - 2026, 2033 World Champs 2026, 2033

11-10-2003, 12:01 PM	#16
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	I have a 22 yr. old 4 blue star prospect in AAA rated "B" for range in both LF and RF. I moved him to 1B to "teach" him 1B as a new position. I got an email in only 3 days saying he'd made noticeable progress, blah blah blah, and is now rated "E" at 1B. Three days is the fastest I've ever seen any player learn a new position in the minors. Can anyone beat it?

11-10-2003, 02:20 PM	#17
Rowleyball Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 265	I had something odd the other day. My major league catcher, who was a rookie the year before, learned to play 1B out of nowhere. He had played a little first the year before, maybe totalling 6 games. Then in between spring training and opening day the following season I get a message saying he's learned how to play 1B. I didn't try to teach it to him during spring training or anything. All he had were the few games the season before.

11-10-2003, 03:38 PM	#18
cesser Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hayward CA Posts: 152	In my online league we just had the first round of this year's amateur draft last night. I had the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 10th picks in the draft (after trading away some vets) and low and behold I wound up getting three designated hitters among those four picks (the only three in the entire draft, but they are all either Brilliant hitting and/or Brilliant homer talent). I'll be teaching them 1st, 3rd, and LF in the minors to begin with. Hope this won't affect their hitting too much since they don't know ANY position to start with. I did have a DH pick in last year's draft and he learned how to play 1B (E range), and, ironically, he received talent boosts in hitting, walks, and homers. Guess it can go either way.

11-11-2003, 02:08 PM	#20
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	joncarlos wrote: Bill Hall learned third base in ONE day for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, one day! That beats my best of three days by ... let's see ... by two days! Seriously, that's pretty amazing. Right now I'm trying to teach new positions to half a dozen players on my minor league teams. Although it seems that ordinarily the younger a player is the faster he learns a new position, I'm not finding any quick learners on my minor league roster right now! Like most things in OOTP5, the total lack of predictability is great (though sometimes frustrating).