Is there something I'm missing? - Page 2

Magus978 · 12-12-2021, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Warfsu

I was just about to say this. His team would get routed in Diamond.

I even said it would ride the gold/diamond yo-yo. I stated the obvious and I don't believe there's a need to rub it in.

EDIT: It didn't even win its gold league. It's a good regular season team that dies in the playoffs when faced with any actual opposition.

bailey · 12-12-2021, 06:42 PM

The only thing is that the OP was left with the impression that spending lots of money or getting an extraordinary pull was needed to get a team like that after just six weeks (actually seven counting entry pool).

It's trivially easy at this time of year to build a team like that with no money nor lucky pull.

bdawg · 12-12-2021, 08:02 PM

Is it? He had half his starters in Rookie league, and the others he got by Iron - there are no new players on his starting roster since Iron. Even if you get 300K points from a good sell, to buy all the players in 2 weeks from the auction house to make those collections doesn't seem trivial to me. I've watched auctions for weeks to hit the collection reward on some of those players and still never seen cards of good value come up to buy. Took me almost 4 weeks to hit all the Billy Hamilton collections. His team was built in 1-2 weeks.

Maybe he overpaid for a few cards along the way? Maybe he watches the auctions 24/7?

I'd love to see someone build his team again with no money added and no lucky pull. It's "trivially easy" apparently. Except not.

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Originally Posted by bailey

The only thing is that the OP was left with the impression that spending lots of money or getting an extraordinary pull was needed to get a team like that after just six weeks (actually seven counting entry pool).

It's trivially easy at this time of year to build a team like that with no money nor lucky pull.

bailey · 12-12-2021, 08:29 PM

Here is my new team after two weeks. Just finishing up Rookie league. No money. No lucky pull. In fact, I also have 150K ready to spend and probably another 100K in cards I'm not using. (Best pulls were Reuschel and Osuna). I didn't even spam tournaments as there is only so much grinding even I can stomach (just 25 packs from tournaments and about 200 packs from missions).

HomerD · 12-12-2021, 11:44 PM

Here's a simple strategy. With your 1000 PP's from the starter kit, buy the cheapest bronze Build-a-Legend card you can find. Complete its silver mission by buying irons and bronzes. You should be able to buy the starter card and the cards for the mission for an average of less than 600 PP's.

Submit all the missions, including the silver lock, and you'll get 4 standard packs. Since the average standard pack gives you 6-700 PP's (warning, most give you around 75-150) you will average about a 2000 PP profit on your mission if you sell all the cards. Do all 30 guys, and you'll have 60,000 PP's or cards worth some portion of that and the rest in liquid PP's.

And as a side benefit, you'll have a decent start toward a silver tournament team. Then use the PP's you have to roll through the live missions. Presto, you have a team that will be pretty good for a Rookie league. But don't be in a hurry to get out of the Rookie league until you've completed 1 or 2 FH missions, preferably from the same division. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon (unless you want to drop a few hundred a month into buying PP's - then you can sprint).

OMGPuppies · 12-13-2021, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerD

Here's a simple strategy. With your 1000 PP's from the starter kit, buy the cheapest bronze Build-a-Legend card you can find. Complete its silver mission by buying irons and bronzes. You should be able to buy the starter card and the cards for the mission for an average of less than 600 PP's.

Submit all the missions, including the silver lock, and you'll get 4 standard packs. Since the average standard pack gives you 6-700 PP's (warning, most give you around 75-150) you will average about a 2000 PP profit on your mission if you sell all the cards. Do all 30 guys, and you'll have 60,000 PP's or cards worth some portion of that and the rest in liquid PP's.

And as a side benefit, you'll have a decent start toward a silver tournament team. Then use the PP's you have to roll through the live missions. Presto, you have a team that will be pretty good for a Rookie league. But don't be in a hurry to get out of the Rookie league until you've completed 1 or 2 FH missions, preferably from the same division. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon (unless you want to drop a few hundred a month into buying PP's - then you can sprint).

Idk. Some of the better silver tournament cards are pretty expensive.

Hertston · 12-14-2021, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

Idk. Some of the better silver tournament cards are pretty expensive.

True, but generally as a result of inclusion in particular missions rather than utility in tourney play. Earlier in the cycle some could be expensive for the latter reason, but it became apparent that cards considered 'uber' on release generally had viable, and much cheaper, alternatives. Same with gold.

HomerD · 12-14-2021, 07:07 PM

That it was a good start toward a silver tournament team?

FWIW, I started 3 teams basically this way. One is in its fourth season with 3 rings and is riding an 18 game winning streak at 35-6 in Bronze. The other two are in Iron leagues with two rings, one is 43-0 and the other 41-1.

Haven't spent a dime on them (other than buying the game).

Fenixdown · 12-17-2021, 07:59 PM

Another good strategy is to take your time starting to complete the live missions. Then straight up vendor the rewards. I did this with a brand new team a few weeks ago. With all the proceeds, I managed to buy a total of 6 solid budget perfect hitters. By week 2, I had a full roster of perfect hitters in the primary lineup and six perfect pitchers. I'm now in silver (so week 6) and my only non-perfects are one pitcher and two of my bench players (my catcher and my rando to fill what I"m missing, which is filled by live Mookie Betts to fill in at center and SS when the starter gets tired). Probably my "best" card is Lefty Grove, which I got super lucky to get cuz I got him with a 28k bid (which was nearly 20k lower than his buyout, a massive steal). The team won't ever make it past Gold league, though, but it's been fun.

There's ways to make a solid team very early without spending a dime, you just have to know how to work the system to your advantage.

HomerD · 12-17-2021, 09:57 PM

Dozens of ways, I assume. And patience is surely the key. The dropoff in PP earnings as you go up the ladder is tremendous, although you can still grind tournaments.

daves · 12-23-2021, 01:09 PM

Actually, with the prices lower I started a new team and won a championship in the 1st 6 seasons. It is possible. My Doubleday team is forever a Gold level contender and Diamond pretender. The Doubledays are closely similar to the example provided, but I think my team might be better?

Only 75000 bought during sale, $35 team. The rest based on PP earned at lower levels. But cannot compete against FH3 completed teams,

bdawg · 01-01-2022, 12:11 PM

I'll revive this thread for a minute, because I want to post a thank you.

People keep mentioning how fun it is to start a team and dominate through to Gold level by getting the max pack rewards you can through Twitch, rewards, tourneys, etc. Literally some people are posting about how they are winning 150+ games each level. Is this -truly- fun? Is it "fun" to exploit a game and destroy a bunch of people who simply play casually? Or is it more of a "man, I feel like a million bucks because I beat all those n00bs" kind of feeling? We've all been there - most of us when we were still getting zits and playing FPS's.

Maybe folks just like opening packs. I get that too (it'd be a lot more fun if the pulls could actually be sold for real money, but oh well). I'm sure these folks log into last years PT and still open those packs regularly too, right?

I've always liked managing sims. But unlike the standard OOTP game, PT isn't a managing sim - it's a card collecting game. I feel accomplished and enjoy playing the regular OOTP game, building a cellar team like the Orioles or the A's into a contender on my own time.

But I guess I don't understand the "thrill" of "owning n00bs" in a card collecting game for 6 weeks. That's on me, not anyone else, and I accept that.

Circling back, the thank you is because this thread made me realize I didn't like PT for all of the above reasons. I'm a casual player. I hate Twitch and I hate grinding. I refuse to play the AH like I'm some NY diamond jeweler trying to screw people out of 1200 extra points on a silver card. I just don't have that kind of time. I just want to log in, check my team, shift some players, open a couple of packs that I've earned, and turn it off. But this thread made me realize that PT really can't be played successfully that way (I'm sure some OOTP PT nerd is going to "sk00l" me on how they play that way and dominate lol, or how they have 37 teams and play 36 of them this way).

Best of luck, fellas. No love lost, I'm sure.

HomerD · 01-01-2022, 01:49 PM

For myself, it has been a learning experience. The tricks I used to build three very good teams very fast won't work in the early stages of PT23 because all the missions I did cheaply and quickly for big PP profits will take more time and be less profitable for quite some time.

But there are other things to do in that time frame, as several people on on this site have hinted. (Nobody comes right out and tells you what to do, because the high quality cards are so rare.)

HomerD · 01-01-2022, 03:44 PM

For myself, it has been a learning experience. The tricks I used to build three very good teams very fast won't work in the early stages of PT23 because all the missions I did cheaply and quickly for big PP profits will take more time and be less profitable for quite some time.

But there are other things to do in that time frame, as several people on on this site have hinted. (Nobody comes right out and tells you what to do, because the high quality cards are so rare.)

Tycobbler · 01-01-2022, 03:56 PM

Is there an echo in here lol

HomerD · 01-01-2022, 10:13 PM

Must have double clicked submit or something.

Anyway, I did not post here to brag, but simply to describe what I did to build a fairly strong team so fast. And, from what I can gather, lots of the better players only play one team because it's so time intensive. But once they get to a plateau, they start another just for the fun of it. Again, not to beat up on the other players, but simply to try different things out.

12-12-2021, 08:29 PM	#24
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	Ok Here is my new team after two weeks. Just finishing up Rookie league. No money. No lucky pull. In fact, I also have 150K ready to spend and probably another 100K in cards I'm not using. (Best pulls were Reuschel and Osuna). I didn't even spam tournaments as there is only so much grinding even I can stomach (just 25 packs from tournaments and about 200 packs from missions). Attached Images

12-12-2021, 11:44 PM	#25
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Sure, Bailey Here's a simple strategy. With your 1000 PP's from the starter kit, buy the cheapest bronze Build-a-Legend card you can find. Complete its silver mission by buying irons and bronzes. You should be able to buy the starter card and the cards for the mission for an average of less than 600 PP's. Submit all the missions, including the silver lock, and you'll get 4 standard packs. Since the average standard pack gives you 6-700 PP's (warning, most give you around 75-150) you will average about a 2000 PP profit on your mission if you sell all the cards. Do all 30 guys, and you'll have 60,000 PP's or cards worth some portion of that and the rest in liquid PP's. And as a side benefit, you'll have a decent start toward a silver tournament team. Then use the PP's you have to roll through the live missions. Presto, you have a team that will be pretty good for a Rookie league. But don't be in a hurry to get out of the Rookie league until you've completed 1 or 2 FH missions, preferably from the same division. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon (unless you want to drop a few hundred a month into buying PP's - then you can sprint).

12-14-2021, 07:07 PM	#28
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Didn't I say That it was a good start toward a silver tournament team? FWIW, I started 3 teams basically this way. One is in its fourth season with 3 rings and is riding an 18 game winning streak at 35-6 in Bronze. The other two are in Iron leagues with two rings, one is 43-0 and the other 41-1. Haven't spent a dime on them (other than buying the game). Last edited by HomerD; 12-14-2021 at 07:09 PM. Reason: completeness

12-17-2021, 09:57 PM	#30
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Yep Dozens of ways, I assume. And patience is surely the key. The dropoff in PP earnings as you go up the ladder is tremendous, although you can still grind tournaments.

12-23-2021, 01:09 PM	#31
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,824	Actually, with the prices lower I started a new team and won a championship in the 1st 6 seasons. It is possible. My Doubleday team is forever a Gold level contender and Diamond pretender. The Doubledays are closely similar to the example provided, but I think my team might be better? Only 75000 bought during sale, $35 team. The rest based on PP earned at lower levels. But cannot compete against FH3 completed teams, Attached Images __________________ Last edited by daves; 12-23-2021 at 01:23 PM.

12-12-2021, 06:42 PM	#22
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	The only thing is that the OP was left with the impression that spending lots of money or getting an extraordinary pull was needed to get a team like that after just six weeks (actually seven counting entry pool). It's trivially easy at this time of year to build a team like that with no money nor lucky pull.

12-17-2021, 07:59 PM	#29
Fenixdown Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 123	Another good strategy is to take your time starting to complete the live missions. Then straight up vendor the rewards. I did this with a brand new team a few weeks ago. With all the proceeds, I managed to buy a total of 6 solid budget perfect hitters. By week 2, I had a full roster of perfect hitters in the primary lineup and six perfect pitchers. I'm now in silver (so week 6) and my only non-perfects are one pitcher and two of my bench players (my catcher and my rando to fill what I"m missing, which is filled by live Mookie Betts to fill in at center and SS when the starter gets tired). Probably my "best" card is Lefty Grove, which I got super lucky to get cuz I got him with a 28k bid (which was nearly 20k lower than his buyout, a massive steal). The team won't ever make it past Gold league, though, but it's been fun. There's ways to make a solid team very early without spending a dime, you just have to know how to work the system to your advantage.

01-01-2022, 12:11 PM	#32
bdawg Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 59	A Thank You... I'll revive this thread for a minute, because I want to post a thank you. People keep mentioning how fun it is to start a team and dominate through to Gold level by getting the max pack rewards you can through Twitch, rewards, tourneys, etc. Literally some people are posting about how they are winning 150+ games each level. Is this -truly- fun? Is it "fun" to exploit a game and destroy a bunch of people who simply play casually? Or is it more of a "man, I feel like a million bucks because I beat all those n00bs" kind of feeling? We've all been there - most of us when we were still getting zits and playing FPS's. Maybe folks just like opening packs. I get that too (it'd be a lot more fun if the pulls could actually be sold for real money, but oh well). I'm sure these folks log into last years PT and still open those packs regularly too, right? I've always liked managing sims. But unlike the standard OOTP game, PT isn't a managing sim - it's a card collecting game. I feel accomplished and enjoy playing the regular OOTP game, building a cellar team like the Orioles or the A's into a contender on my own time. But I guess I don't understand the "thrill" of "owning n00bs" in a card collecting game for 6 weeks. That's on me, not anyone else, and I accept that. Circling back, the thank you is because this thread made me realize I didn't like PT for all of the above reasons. I'm a casual player. I hate Twitch and I hate grinding. I refuse to play the AH like I'm some NY diamond jeweler trying to screw people out of 1200 extra points on a silver card. I just don't have that kind of time. I just want to log in, check my team, shift some players, open a couple of packs that I've earned, and turn it off. But this thread made me realize that PT really can't be played successfully that way (I'm sure some OOTP PT nerd is going to "sk00l" me on how they play that way and dominate lol, or how they have 37 teams and play 36 of them this way). Best of luck, fellas. No love lost, I'm sure.

01-01-2022, 01:49 PM	#33
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Sorry to see you go For myself, it has been a learning experience. The tricks I used to build three very good teams very fast won't work in the early stages of PT23 because all the missions I did cheaply and quickly for big PP profits will take more time and be less profitable for quite some time. But there are other things to do in that time frame, as several people on on this site have hinted. (Nobody comes right out and tells you what to do, because the high quality cards are so rare.)

01-01-2022, 03:44 PM	#34
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Sorry to see you go For myself, it has been a learning experience. The tricks I used to build three very good teams very fast won't work in the early stages of PT23 because all the missions I did cheaply and quickly for big PP profits will take more time and be less profitable for quite some time. But there are other things to do in that time frame, as several people on on this site have hinted. (Nobody comes right out and tells you what to do, because the high quality cards are so rare.)

01-01-2022, 03:56 PM	#35
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,955	Is there an echo in here lol

01-01-2022, 10:13 PM	#36
HomerD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 125	Don't know how that happened. Must have double clicked submit or something. Anyway, I did not post here to brag, but simply to describe what I did to build a fairly strong team so fast. And, from what I can gather, lots of the better players only play one team because it's so time intensive. But once they get to a plateau, they start another just for the fun of it. Again, not to beat up on the other players, but simply to try different things out.