Unrealistic Events

[Nickphillies]

Odd....can't say I noticed this on a newer save but I'll look

[Nickphillies]

Kids coming off their ELCs are going for absurdly low salaries despite their high abilities and potential.



Goodchild had an excellent two seasons 18-19 Record w/ almost +12 GSAA. O'Begley had a good rookie season but it makes no sense for him to sign for less than $1M. Both have 5* potential. I have one other one as well just from a quick glance at some contract renewals in regards to the FA issues people are having.

[Nickphillies]

The other one.
Chinn puts up 60+ points in his 1st two seasons but resigns for 5 years at only $2.5M??

[Tie Montana]

Originally Posted by Nickphillies

Kids coming off their ELCs are going for absurdly low salaries despite their high abilities and potential.



Goodchild had an excellent two seasons 18-19 Record w/ almost +12 GSAA. O'Begley had a good rookie season but it makes no sense for him to sign for less than $1M. Both have 5* potential. I have one other one as well just from a quick glance at some contract renewals in regards to the FA issues people are having.

This should be fixed. Its really important for the realism aspect of the gameplay.

[Tie Montana]

Unplayable...

[Tie Montana]

Veini Vehviläinen in Mestis (2nd highest league in finland).

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by Tie Montana

Veini Vehviläinen in Mestis (2nd highest league in finland).

Yah that has been a problem since forever...players of this calibre should retire rather than playing minor league hockey

[kibasan]

Man, I was hoping like hell that I wouldn't have to post this, but I encountered more of the same in a test save yesterday. Like always, I started an expansion franchise and then simmed ahead to the start of the 2022 season (through Training Camp).

While the issue with "annual budgets" has indeed improved, there is still considerable work that needs to be done. In my test save, 13 teams were operating with annual budgets that were glaringly low, ranging anywhere from 9 to 27 million less than they were in 2021. The most egregious of all, the Arizona Coyotes, had their budget sliced from 87 million to 60 flat! That's right...60 million...or 200k LESS than the salary cap floor. This isn't just unrealistic, it's literally illegal and thus an impossibility. And I think one possible culprit could be the ebb and flow of revenue during the off season and early parts of the season, when we're seeing many of these curious roster moves made by the AI.

Because there were more...

(1) Prior to July 1st 2022, the Minnesota Wild released Matt Dumba and Joel Eriksson Ek, and the Carolina Hurricanes released Brett Pesce. None of these are 4 star players but they are unsung heroes of both their respective locker rooms and would never be released irl. Never.

(2) At the end of Training Camp, the Winnipeg Jets traded a first round pick to the Oilers for Evan Bouchard (2.5 stars, 3.5 stars potential) and then proceeded to place him on wavers three days later.

(3) The Capitals waved Vitek Vanacek (3.5 stars, 4 star potential) despite him winning 40+ games for them the previous season!

Let's address the pink elephant in the room, FHM has a realism problem on its hands here. You see instances of this crop up not only in this thread and on the forum but anywhere the game is being discussed. Transactions like the aforementioned constantly pulling the player out of their created world.

Which is a shame because in many ways the game is better than ever before. The strides made by the 2D engine have been nothing short of remarkable and given us a promising glimpse of where FHM is heading. But ultimately none of that matters if the game world itself is not believable. And right now, it is not believable.

So whether the core issue is the annual budget or roster crunch caused by the new waver claim rules or some other factor that's been hiding in plain sight or all of the above, the imperative remains the same. Within reason, teams need to start behaving like teams in the National Hockey League do (which should include a head scratcher or two, just not one every other week).

[airqualf]

i really want to buy the game, but i am someone that puts realism on top of everything. i don't want unrealistic trades or signings just to win.
if the fhm team could fix that, the game seems to be almost perfect. but until then i need to stay away

[sk78]

First version of FHM I played was v2. I played FHM3 excessively, FHM4 occasionally, bought FHM6 but didn't even activate the license lol (it was more or less a purchase to support the guys).

Now I got FHM8 and first things I'm experiencing and reading about is bugs, bugs, bugs. Familiar territory, damn I missed that

Guess I've said this before, in my opinion the devs should pause releasing for one year, maybe even two. They are rushing into new versions every year, introducing new features that introduce new bugs, while leaving old bugs unfixed. Staking new buggy versions onto old buggy versions in an endless cycle will sooner or later lead to the collapse of the whole project. Classic dead end street.
I'm aware it's a business and they need to make money. But rushing full speed with open eyes against the wall isn't the way to go imo. At some point this game will end up being unplayable, like already mentioned quite often over the years. They finally need to come up with a stable and bugfree (at least mostly) version. A "healthy rebuild" if you will. Even if it would mean stop releasing for one or two years.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of FHM and appreciate the hard work of the guys (Jeff in particular).
But I'm not willing to spend money just for support reasons (anymore). And I'm concerned FHM will be dead in a few years, for the reasons mentioned above.

[JSnow93]

Originally Posted by Tie Montana

Unplayable...

Is this in a save started after the update?

[Tie Montana]

Originally Posted by JSnow93

Is this in a save started after the update?

Yes

[kibasan]

Originally Posted by JSnow93

Is this in a save started after the update?

Yup. Fresh save on latest version. My heart sunk when I saw Winnipeg waive Evan Bouchard days after acquiring him for a 1st round pick. I knew it was something I couldn't overlook.

[JSnow93]

Originally Posted by Tie Montana

Yes

Originally Posted by kibasan

Yup. Fresh save on latest version. My heart sunk when I saw Winnipeg waive Evan Bouchard days after acquiring him for a 1st round pick. I knew it was something I couldn't overlook.

Aww no. As much as I want to love the game and applaud what is done right, these are experience breakers.

[Adam B]

Originally Posted by kibasan

Man, I was hoping like hell that I wouldn't have to post this, but I encountered more of the same in a test save yesterday. Like always, I started an expansion franchise and then simmed ahead to the start of the 2022 season (through Training Camp).

While the issue with "annual budgets" has indeed improved, there is still considerable work that needs to be done. In my test save, 13 teams were operating with annual budgets that were glaringly low, ranging anywhere from 9 to 27 million less than they were in 2021. The most egregious of all, the Arizona Coyotes, had their budget sliced from 87 million to 60 flat! That's right...60 million...or 200k LESS than the salary cap floor. This isn't just unrealistic, it's literally illegal and thus an impossibility. And I think one possible culprit could be the ebb and flow of revenue during the off season and early parts of the season, when we're seeing many of these curious roster moves made by the AI.

Because there were more...

(1) Prior to July 1st 2022, the Minnesota Wild released Matt Dumba and Joel Eriksson Ek, and the Carolina Hurricanes released Brett Pesce. None of these are 4 star players but they are unsung heroes of both their respective locker rooms and would never be released irl. Never.

(2) At the end of Training Camp, the Winnipeg Jets traded a first round pick to the Oilers for Evan Bouchard (2.5 stars, 3.5 stars potential) and then proceeded to place him on wavers three days later.

(3) The Capitals waved Vitek Vanacek (3.5 stars, 4 star potential) despite him winning 40+ games for them the previous season!

Upload that save. I want to see about Winnipeg. Minnesota and Carolina's moves make sense (whether or not you disagree with them) from the salary cap perspective.

I'm really curious to see what Minnesota does this coming off-season in real life. They are going to have huge cap issues and are likely trading away multiple guys (although likely not Ek - but Dumba? Could be for sure) because of it.

[Nickphillies]

Originally Posted by sk78

First version of FHM I played was v2. I played FHM3 excessively, FHM4 occasionally, bought FHM6 but didn't even activate the license lol (it was more or less a purchase to support the guys).

Now I got FHM8 and first things I'm experiencing and reading about is bugs, bugs, bugs. Familiar territory, damn I missed that

Guess I've said this before, in my opinion the devs should pause releasing for one year, maybe even two. They are rushing into new versions every year, introducing new features that introduce new bugs, while leaving old bugs unfixed. Staking new buggy versions onto old buggy versions in an endless cycle will sooner or later lead to the collapse of the whole project. Classic dead end street.
I'm aware it's a business and they need to make money. But rushing full speed with open eyes against the wall isn't the way to go imo. At some point this game will end up being unplayable, like already mentioned quite often over the years. They finally need to come up with a stable and bugfree (at least mostly) version. A "healthy rebuild" if you will. Even if it would mean stop releasing for one or two years.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of FHM and appreciate the hard work of the guys (Jeff in particular).
But I'm not willing to spend money just for support reasons (anymore). And I'm concerned FHM will be dead in a few years, for the reasons mentioned above.

Try to become a beta tester then. We have a bunch of us testers, but we look at different things and experience different things.

Case in point the weird waivers and releasing of high caliber players. I've been doing multiple saves over the different versions of the game and haven't come across this. Sure I've had some wacky trades, but let's be honest from a guy with no idea how to code, I can't imagine that it is easy to nail down a GM AI that everyone thinks is great(couple of us have been vocal about this in our Beta circle).

End of the day it's a small community and a very small dev group that also have lives outside of programing and hanging out answering questions, bug reports, etc. Jeff has a list that him and his guys work on, things get lost in shuffle or pushed down the list.

Worst case just go Commish mode and fix said moves that you don't agree with. Not ideal but it's something.

[kibasan]

Originally Posted by Adam B

Upload that save. I want to see about Winnipeg. Minnesota and Carolina's moves make sense (whether or not you disagree with them) from the salary cap perspective.

I'm really curious to see what Minnesota does this coming off-season in real life. They are going to have huge cap issues and are likely trading away multiple guys (although likely not Ek - but Dumba? Could be for sure) because of it.

I already deleted the save, Adam. I didn't really see any point in continuing.

But just to be clear, I didn't disagree with Winnipeg trading a 1st for Evan Bouchard -- I just couldn't believe Winnipeg then placed him on waivers that same week (in an attempt to send him to Manitoba I'm guessing). You're a diehard Jets fan, can you imagine that scenario actually playing out irl? Cheveldayoff would have to go in witness protection!

Same deal with the Hurricanes and Wild. If they wanted to shed Dumba's contract (despite naming him an alternate captain this season) or Ek or Pesce, they would trade them to another team for assets, however modest. They wouldn't just outright release them for nothing. They're solid players, and in Ek's case a budding star.

Either way, I think we can all agree that these decisions by the AI are not in the best interests of the world the player has created. They make it less believable. And again, I rarely if ever have an issue with a bad trade or signing -- that's a part of professional sports after all -- and I often just laugh them off. It's the releasing of a Rasmus Dahlin that Tie Montana experienced or the Evan Bouchard scenario that kills it for me.

[Adam B]

Originally Posted by kibasan

I already deleted the save, Adam. I didn't really see any point in continuing.

But just to be clear, I didn't disagree with Winnipeg trading a 1st for Evan Bouchard -- I just couldn't believe Winnipeg then placed him on waivers that same week (in an attempt to send him to Manitoba I'm guessing). You're a diehard Jets fan, can you imagine that scenario actually playing out irl? Cheveldayoff would have to go in witness protection!

Same deal with the Hurricanes and Wild. If they wanted to shed Dumba's contract (despite naming him an alternate captain this season) or Ek or Pesce, they would trade them to another team for assets, however modest. They wouldn't just outright release them for nothing. They're solid players, and in Ek's case a budding star.

Unfortunately that doesn't do us any good. I have run many sims and can't say I've seen a trade like that followed by waivers. Now that's not to say it didn't! But your save may be a unique situation that we could have used to track an AI logic issue which is now lost forever. Please don't delete saves if you think there's an issue. We can compare different things to see what's happening if there's something that can be addressed.

And as I said; this next offseason is going to be real interesting. You're right, it's likely they would trade him, but it's not inconceivable that a release happens either (there's going to be a lot of teams with cap issues). I would argue the point that Ek is a budding star. He's a decent mid-6 player, but he is a guy who is not ever going to reach star calibre.



EDIT: So on my latest test game (and this is a new build - we are working towards a release), the only player released at the end of 2021 was in Carolina, and they released Jake Gardiner. Further simming through the offseason and training camp, the only interesting move I've seen is Buffalo getting Merzlikins from Columbus for Luukkonen and then Columbus signed Holtby for competition and he won the spot. There's been other trades, but that's the biggest one.

[Mikjer]

I'm only new to this game but have previously played and put a lot of hours into sports sims. However this is the first one I've played in about 5 or 6 years. Reason being, I am a real stickler for realism and the need for basically a perfect game, so I just haven't made the plunge on any sim games for years because I read reviews, bug reports etc and none of them are perfect.
And the fact is, none of them ever will be! I'd never play a sports sim again (which I really love) due to my need for absolute realism.
But I bit the bullet here and went for it. Now I know its not perfect and there are some baffling moves sometimes by the AI but the good far outweighs the bad here! And people waiting around for the perfect hockey sim might be waiting around forever, so you may as well enjoy it while you can!

[Tie Montana]

Originally Posted by Adam B

EDIT: So on my latest test game (and this is a new build - we are working towards a release), the only player released at the end of 2021 was in Carolina, and they released Jake Gardiner. Further simming through the offseason and training camp, the only interesting move I've seen is Buffalo getting Merzlikins from Columbus for Luukkonen and then Columbus signed Holtby for competition and he won the spot. There's been other trades, but that's the biggest one.

Imho thats not realistic trade at all. There is no way irl they would sign Merzlikins to extension and at the next moment trade him away. It would be so inconsistent from GM point of view. But these kind of trades are not the deal breaker atleast for me. Dahlin waived bug i expressed earlier in this thread is the real problem and stop me for playing the game. It happened 2/2 saves i have started on new update. When you really invest your time and thoughts in save and right after everything is set up Dahlin gets waived... its pretty frustrating. And i want to say my point is not complain about everything i can imagine. This is my favorite game and i want it to be a good one. There is no other game I would spend my free time writing on forums.