Is there something I'm missing?

[bdawg]

I literally play a single team, always get the game the first week it's out, and rarely spend a lot of money. This year I bought about $60 of points when on sale and had some good pulls and won some tournaments that gave me the means to make some auction sells and get myself a good team. But I've been here since the start, working on $60...

This guy is in my gold league. And, while I often see teams get relegated from diamond to gold, etc., this guy is coming up from nothing. This is literally his 6th season in existence (he has his forum name on his account so I know he has multiple teams - not going to out him though), and he's won every season. Literally half of his roster has been with him for all of his seasons, and the other half for at least 4 seasons.

I get it, some people spend way too much money just to win and beat people who don't spend money. But considering this guy has multiple teams, and he's fielding a team like this...can't the devs at least check this and make sure the guy has spent $500-$1000 on building this team? How is there no automated check for things like this?

[dishnet34]

Originally Posted by bdawg

I literally play a single team, always get the game the first week it's out, and rarely spend a lot of money. This year I bought about $60 of points when on sale and had some good pulls and won some tournaments that gave me the means to make some auction sells and get myself a good team. But I've been here since the start, working on $60...

This guy is in my gold league. And, while I often see teams get relegated from diamond to gold, etc., this guy is coming up from nothing. This is literally his 6th season in existence (he has his forum name on his account so I know he has multiple teams - not going to out him though), and he's won every season. Literally half of his roster has been with him for all of his seasons, and the other half for at least 4 seasons.

I get it, some people spend way too much money just to win and beat people who don't spend money. But considering this guy has multiple teams, and he's fielding a team like this...can't the devs at least check this and make sure the guy has spent $500-$1000 on building this team? How is there no automated check for things like this?

If you're accusing him of shifting players from one of his teams to another, which is what you're implying by saying they should check to see if the person has spent money, shifting players is something the devs do check, and is punished accordingly if it is the case, especially if it's through the auction house.

It seems to me you're just mad that someone started a team late in the cycle to try to speedrun to Diamond with a ton money spent. If that's the way this person want to play the game, then don't shame them for that.

[bdawg]

Calm down fella, I didn't accuse him of anything. I'm using it as an example and asking if these things get checked? I'm not shaming anyone. Seems like you're the one shaming me for asking this? That said, it's an anomalous result that is very frustrating to see by players who don't spend a lot of money. And it's okay to be frustrated, is it not? Or are you telling me that only the way you do things matters and that nobody can be frustrated by it?

Clearly you've spent a lot of money, considering how many PL victories you have on your signature. You aren't biased at all in your opinions. No way. Not possible.

If you were to guess, how much money did this guy spend to get this team from nothing?

Originally Posted by dishnet34

If you're accusing him of shifting players from one of his teams to another, which is what you're implying by saying they should check to see if the person has spent money, shifting players is something the devs do check, and is punished accordingly if it is the case, especially if it's through the auction house.

It seems to me you're just mad that someone started a team late in the cycle to try to speedrun to Diamond with a ton money spent. If that's the way this person want to play the game, then don't shame them for that.

[chazzycat]

lmao dude think for a second...no one has 77 perfect playoff appearances in this version. Those perfect trophies were from before the pyramid structure, anyone could win double digit trophies back then

[Clavette]

The guy you singled out doesnt even have a team that will win in diamond. Hes bought a few decent less expensive cards to field his team. Not sure what you are so upset about

[dishnet34]

My apologies for not updating my signature since PT20. As you can see now, in 22, I've only won one Diamond title, and that was back in June, and that's been the extent of my luck in PT22.

Sure you can be frustrated, but what else do you mean by "asking the devs to check this?" Check what? How much money someone spent? What does that matter? If they spent money, they spent money. That's all there is to it.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by dishnet34

My apologies for not updating my signature since PT20. As you can see now, in 22, I've only won one Diamond title, and that was back in June, and that's been the extent of my luck in PT22.

Sure you can be frustrated, but what else do you mean by "asking the devs to check this?" Check what? How much money someone spent? What does that matter? If they spent money, they spent money. That's all there is to it.

Don’t mind him. He’s just “asking for a friend”.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Calm down fella, I didn't accuse him of anything. I'm using it as an example and asking if these things get checked? I'm not shaming anyone. Seems like you're the one shaming me for asking this? That said, it's an anomalous result that is very frustrating to see by players who don't spend a lot of money. And it's okay to be frustrated, is it not? Or are you telling me that only the way you do things matters and that nobody can be frustrated by it?

Clearly you've spent a lot of money, considering how many PL victories you have on your signature. You aren't biased at all in your opinions. No way. Not possible.

If you were to guess, how much money did this guy spend to get this team from nothing?

What is there to check exactly? For 6 weeks old team, he could easily have earned 500K in achievements, and nearly 1000 packs from tournament play, 300 more from twitch drops, challenge mode, login rewards. I'm guessing zero dollars spent on this team.

[HomerD]

Practically every card he has there can be acquired by doing the Central division Franchise Hero missions. If you do that single-mindedly, you can easily acquire that team in 6 weeks if you can get yourself back to the Rookie level with a couple of good high-earning players like Rose and the 40K PP's or so you bank from your entry level season.

[Magus978]

I see someone's a bit angry at the presence of one of my teams. I'll gladly tell you how it happened, because there's no shady/illegal tricks. All that's happened here is that I've learned from a lot of my many mistakes from my other teams.

$0 was spent on that team. I had help during entry pool with a Roger Connor pull, which IIRC I sold for a mil (give or take 50k, I'd have to look again later). The proceeds from that allowed me to start buying the players I wanted as well as complete collections which I thought would be good for re-sell value. Tournament packs as well as selling pulls that I wasn't going to use for anything were a factor as well. It's not my fault that dead teams in the lower levels couldn't touch me. I don't remember exactly how much I made each week in the lower levels, but the PP gain was significant purely because of how teams were getting blown out against me.

Not all the players were acquired by doing the collections. With the sale of previously mentioned pulls from collections I was never gonna complete, I used the proceeds to buy some players outright. Last time I checked there was nothing wrong with that. Also, FWIW, I do not think this team can win consistently in diamond. I believe it'll end up in the gold/diamond yo-yo purely because you see all the big spenders who completed all of the collections and have all the chase cards from packs as well as the very best tournament SE's. My team, while good, is not good enough to beat those people on a consistent enough basis to challenge for a diamond league title.

Genuinely, I figured gold would be where this group would start meeting some real resistance. Yeah, it does feel like a speed run to diamond, but in the sense that more work was done than you'd think for a speed run. If there's more you'd like to know or if you'd like to make more inaccurate accusations towards my direction, you're free to DM me and we can settle all of your problems away from the public eye.

Toodles!

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by Magus978

I see someone's a bit angry at the presence of one of my teams. I'll gladly tell you how it happened, because there's no shady/illegal tricks. All that's happened here is that I've learned from a lot of my many mistakes from my other teams.

$0 was spent on that team. I had help during entry pool with a Roger Connor pull, which IIRC I sold for a mil. The proceeds from that allowed me to start buying the players I wanted as well as complete collections which I thought would be good for re-sell value. Tournament packs as well as selling pulls that I wasn't going to use for anything were a factor as well. It's not my fault that dead teams in the lower levels couldn't touch me. I don't remember exactly how much I made each week in the lower levels, but the PP gain was significant purely because of how teams were getting blown out against me.

Not all the players were acquired by doing the collections. With the sale of previously mentioned pulls from collections I was never gonna complete, I used the proceeds to buy some players outright. Last time I checked there was nothing wrong with that. Also, FWIW, I do not think this team can win consistently in diamond. I believe it'll end up in the gold/diamond yo-yo purely because you see all the big spenders who completed all of the collections and have all the chase cards from packs as well as the very best tournament SE's. My team, while good, is not good enough to beat those people on a consistent enough basis to challenge for a diamond league title.

Genuinely, I figured gold would be where this group would start meeting some real resistance. Yeah, it does feel like a speed run to diamond, but in the sense that more work was done than you'd think for a speed run. If there's more you'd like to know or if you'd like to make more inaccurate accusations towards my direction, you're free to DM me and we can settle all of your problems away from the public eye.

Toodles!

Bdawg was just asking for a friend.

[revmcgator]

Hilarious thread.

"Hey, DiMaggio, where do you get off hitting .400?"

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by revmcgator

Hilarious thread.

"Hey, DiMaggio, where do you get off hitting .400?"

I know right? How dare he!

Also, OP...don't worry about outing me. In fact I'm disappointed that you didn't. There is a perfectly good (and completely within the rules) reason as to why I have so many teams. Back in OOTP 20, I grabbed a few extra licenses when they were on sale with some disposable income (I think they were at the $9.99 price point). It let me support a company that makes an entertaining product, as well as granted me 3 more perfect team usernames per license. The majority of the other teams I run are simply pack-only experiments that are not touched all that often, or theme teams that I have more or less abandoned due to lack of time/interest/both and just log into for pack opening purposes.

It may be frowned upon by the majority of people, but that's their problem and not mine. In fact, I would be all for a future change that would make such a thing properly against the rules. One can only be stretched so far when it comes to running teams anyway. 3 is more than enough, and that will be the extent of my play for 23.

[HomerD]

But not very many of us are privileged to pull Roger Connor from our starter packs.

[Stanley Kuppchaser]

Originally Posted by Magus978

I know right? How dare he!

Also, OP...don't worry about outing me. In fact I'm disappointed that you didn't. There is a perfectly good (and completely within the rules) reason as to why I have so many teams. Back in OOTP 20, I grabbed a few extra licenses when they were on sale with some disposable income (I think they were at the $9.99 price point). It let me support a company that makes an entertaining product, as well as granted me 3 more perfect team usernames per license. The majority of the other teams I run are simply pack-only experiments that are not touched all that often, or theme teams that I have more or less abandoned due to lack of time/interest/both and just log into for pack opening purposes.

It may be frowned upon by the majority of people, but that's their problem and not mine. In fact, I would be all for a future change that would make such a thing properly against the rules. One can only be stretched so far when it comes to running teams anyway. 3 is more than enough, and that will be the extent of my play for 23.

If someone comes for Magus, he's got the whole of Our League to consider, as well.

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by HomerD

But not very many of us are privileged to pull Roger Connor from our starter packs.

The process would have taken much longer without it for sure. May have been more of a long-term build. Only takes one pull to change everything.

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by Stanley Kuppchaser

If someone comes for Magus, he's got the whole of Our League to consider, as well.

Appreciate the backup, but I don't think it's needed here.

I've explained in a lot of detail how this particular team's rise occurred, how I have more teams, and how everything I did has been 100% within the rules. There has, and always will be, 0% ill-intention involved in anything I do. If something is against the terms of service, such actions would not have taken place to begin with as I want my account(s) to always be in good standing as far as playing fairly and within the rules go. As a proud member of the OOTP streamer affiliate program, I take any potential rules violations very seriously.

I just hope the dispute and misgivings that people may or may not have with me can be settled without hostilities growing further than necessary.

[bdawg]

Okay let's be clear, this thread was started because there was something unusual and very inconsistent. I posted the question about the devs because like anyone, I had some concerns about the strangely anomalous results I was seeing, but I didn't call out a person because I was asking whether, in general, the devs monitored for strange behavior. Again, even my post said that I understood that people spend money and it could be that. Apparently, it was all a lucky pull.

Seems like my question is a question that, I presume, a lot of people who don't spend a lot of time on here might ask or be concerned about. I also get that it can be viewed as abrasive, and that wasn't my intention.

Magus, I appreciate the replies, even though you didn't have to. If you got lucky and that one pull financed your entire team, congrats, that's awesome. Sucks for those of us who fight our way through the league, but we deal or we stop trying.

You would expect a bunch of seasoned vets on here to know how to reply with a good explanation (or to ignore someone if they think that person is stirring the pot). A couple of folks made constructive replies, and I appreciate that (even if some of it was attached to incredible sarcasm). Others, not so much (even one seems like a veiled threat that some whole "league" would come at me like some crazy online army). Not a welcoming community thing to do. But go ahead. You're only hurting the game you love.

I shrug. Enjoy your game, folks. Nothing to see here.

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Magus, I appreciate the replies, even though you didn't have to. If you got lucky and that one pull financed your entire team, congrats, that's awesome. Sucks for those of us who fight our way through the league, but we deal or we stop trying.

No problem. I didn't mind explaining the process whatsoever. All in an effort to clear up any misgivings and show myself to be completely on the level. I will say, however, that the Connor pull was really the start. That allowed me to buy players and complete collections that I felt had good re-sell value. The re-sell value was just one of many keys to building that team, which I feel will be in that gold/diamond yo-yo due to reasons given in an earlier post.

[Warfsu]

Originally Posted by Clavette

The guy you singled out doesnt even have a team that will win in diamond. Hes bought a few decent less expensive cards to field his team. Not sure what you are so upset about

I was just about to say this. His team would get routed in Diamond.