Outfield Assists - Page 2

Simmo13 · 05-14-2021, 11:06 AM

FWIW I've a long-running fictional league which I've transferred across at least five versions of OOTP. I seem to remember that a couple of versions ago the default outfield assist totals were suddenly way out of whack (far too many) and it was recommended by Markus that the number was turned down to .250 (or thereabouts). I've just checked my league settings (which I've not altered since transferring to the latest version) and the outfield assist setting is .283. I'm about 40 games into a 154 game season and a couple of the best outfielders have 4 or 5 assists but most have 2 at most.

Matt Arnold · 05-14-2021, 11:21 AM

Yeah, generally speaking the modifier should likely be in the .250-.300 range. Some leagues may vary from that, if they happen to have more or less speed, or more or less aggressive running.

Baby Ruth · 05-14-2021, 03:15 PM

If I have 'Automatically adjust league totals modifiers for accuracy' where can I see what the actual modifiers in use are? All the fields that would contain values are blank.

LeftHandPath · 06-10-2021, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We had another deeper look, and it looks like the autocalc is accidentally doubling the OF assist value after it runs. We'll correct it in the next patch, but I would suggest if your league runs the autocalc to cut the value in half and that should keep values closer to expected.

Is it just me or is the modifier for outfield assists very high?
The standard value ist at .591 when I create a new standard game, so still seems to be doubled.

RchW · 06-10-2021, 08:15 PM

It was definitely doubled via autocalc in V22 based on my recording of LTM. every season I halved it and will check results shortly.

saturninesweet · 06-11-2021, 11:58 AM

Seems to be a similar issue with base stealing. max rating base stealers are out almost every time, even against very poor catchers. It removes all value of the speed tool.

luckymann · 11-07-2021, 06:52 AM

I am still concerned this has not been addressed.

These are the settings as per the historical LTM dropdown menu for 1916. Seems WAY too high.

Matt Arnold · 11-07-2021, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by luckymann

I am still concerned this has not been addressed.

These are the settings as per the historical LTM dropdown menu for 1916. Seems WAY too high.

The OFA modifier should be around .3 as mentioned above, so if yours is at 1 that definitely could explain why you are seeing very high numbers. Maybe there are changes for historical years that aren't set correctly

luckymann · 11-07-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

The OFA modifier should be around .3 as mentioned above, so if yours is at 1 that definitely could explain why you are seeing very high numbers. Maybe there are changes for historical years that aren't set correctly

Yep, I am also seeing the number far above where I think it should be for other years as well.

Is this to be fixed? Seems like more and more of these types of mistakes are slipping in and less and less is being done about it, despite early and repeated assurances to the contrary after the takeover. I'm no alarmist, but it and other things I am noticing are worrying signs.

If no fix is planned, is there at least a list available of what the settings should be for each season / era to enable us to crosscheck and adjust as necessary?

Thanks Matt

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Matt Arnold · 11-08-2021, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by luckymann

Yep, I am also seeing the number far above where I think it should be for other years as well.

Is this to be fixed? Seems like more and more of these types of mistakes are slipping in and less and less is being done about it, despite early and repeated assurances to the contrary after the takeover. I'm no alarmist, but it and other things I am noticing are worrying signs.

If no fix is planned, is there at least a list available of what the settings should be for each season / era to enable us to crosscheck and adjust as necessary?

Thanks Matt

G

Actually looking through, the numbers I think are right. I believe the issue is that deadball-era there were a ton of outfield assists. If you see on baseball reference the stats for 1916, outfield assists were very common (https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...fielding.shtml). The leaders were in the high 20s and 30s, whereas the modern game it's much less common, with the leaders only in the high teens. So it's actually relatively expected that back then the modifiers would be quick high, and the leaders would have a lot of assists.

luckymann · 11-08-2021, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Actually looking through, the numbers I think are right. I believe the issue is that deadball-era there were a ton of outfield assists. If you see on baseball reference the stats for 1916, outfield assists were very common (https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...fielding.shtml). The leaders were in the high 20s and 30s, whereas the modern game it's much less common, with the leaders only in the high teens. So it's actually relatively expected that back then the modifiers would be quick high, and the leaders would have a lot of assists.

OK thanks, I'll see how things are around my various saves vs the BBRef totals and report back any anomalies.

Appreciated, as always, Matt.

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05-14-2021, 11:06 AM	#21
Simmo13 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: those blue remembered hills Posts: 955	FWIW I've a long-running fictional league which I've transferred across at least five versions of OOTP. I seem to remember that a couple of versions ago the default outfield assist totals were suddenly way out of whack (far too many) and it was recommended by Markus that the number was turned down to .250 (or thereabouts). I've just checked my league settings (which I've not altered since transferring to the latest version) and the outfield assist setting is .283. I'm about 40 games into a 154 game season and a couple of the best outfielders have 4 or 5 assists but most have 2 at most.

05-14-2021, 11:21 AM	#22
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,867	Yeah, generally speaking the modifier should likely be in the .250-.300 range. Some leagues may vary from that, if they happen to have more or less speed, or more or less aggressive running.

05-14-2021, 03:15 PM	#23
Baby Ruth All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Reading Posts: 632 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	If I have 'Automatically adjust league totals modifiers for accuracy' where can I see what the actual modifiers in use are? All the fields that would contain values are blank.

06-11-2021, 11:58 AM	#26
saturninesweet Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 8	Seems to be a similar issue with base stealing. max rating base stealers are out almost every time, even against very poor catchers. It removes all value of the speed tool.