Any update on the patch fix for 5.13? - Page 2

Henry · 11-05-2003, 10:13 PM

Nukester,

Although your correct in the true definition of "online" I think the issue the others are bringing up is that the multi-person element of this game "called" online is what many of the owners prefer over solo play.

Keep in mind that Markus has done a lot in "both worlds" as this game has developed, and will continue to do so. Favoring one group over the other would not be a good business move.

I also would disagree that Markus had done more in the solo side of the game - beyond the fact that the solo game was there first. He has done a lot to fulfill requests for the multiplayer leagues.

clarnzz · 11-05-2003, 10:15 PM

I loved solo play, did it constantly for a few months after first being introduced to OOTP. Now though I very rarely play solo. When the new "current" roster sets come out, I fiddle around with them a bit, but it slowly deteriorates into me simming months at a time and eventually finds itself in the trash can.

With so many great leagues out there, especially historical ones that are ran better than I could run a solo one, I just don't see the point of solo play anymore unless the boredomarometer hits red.

chinaski · 11-05-2003, 10:15 PM

I know id much rather play this game against real human intelligence than the AI.

While i understand the level of interaction you desire for the game to be a true 'online' game, the term 'online' for gaming is very broad.

To me, OOTP is a MULTIPLAYER game. Sport games, whether sim or arcade, are meant by its very nature to be played by mulitple people.

If ootp had no multiplayer abilities, it would wither and die... just like alot of leagues waiting for this damn patch :/

Nukester · 11-05-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by chinaski
While i understand the level of interaction you desire for the game to be a true 'online' game, the term 'online' for gaming is very broad.

Yeah thats probably whats going on. There is a grey area between "online" and "multiplayer" that we are probably in.

My original point was to say that I think alot of the time that was spent trying to make a password button work and alot of the other stuff that was done to satisfy online leagues (not this release bug though....I guess that NEEDS to be fixed for online league to function correctly) could have been spent improving the core gameplay/AI that effects every league, solo or online

Henry · 11-05-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Nukester
...could have been spent improving the core gameplay/AI that effects every league, solo or online

Don't forget that the game engine is going to be replaced in version 6

Chas · 11-05-2003, 11:15 PM

Quick question on the 5.13 fixes --- will it fix the INCREASED injuries seen in 5.13 compared to 5.12 ?? It almost seems like the earlier issues that were fixed with player injuries were missed with 5.13 and not it's back to an unrealistic number of injuries again...

Hopefully this is on the 'hit list' and in testing.

Thanks,
Chas

Steve Kuffrey · 11-05-2003, 11:24 PM

Chas,

I maybe wrong but I don't think that anything to do with "injuries" was touched w/ 5.13 or 5.14. I'll try to check and see.

Karl Marx · 11-06-2003, 12:24 AM

That's funny I was at work, yesterday, wishing the game had more injuries to kinda force me to be a samarter GM... I don't think this is an issue.

SoxWin · 11-06-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Karl Marx
That's funny I was at work, yesterday, wishing the game had more injuries to kinda force me to be a samarter GM... I don't think this is an issue.

I'd agree, very rarely do I ever get an injury that severely affects my teams ability to compete.

psychdrts · 11-06-2003, 02:44 AM

*crowd chants* RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!!

Treches · 11-06-2003, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Nukester
My original point was to say that I think alot of the time that was spent trying to make a password button work and alot of the other stuff that was done to satisfy online leagues (not this release bug though....I guess that NEEDS to be fixed for online league to function correctly) could have been spent improving the core gameplay/AI that effects every league, solo or online

I understand your point, but you seem not to realize that there's another way of looking at it as well: A lot of the time that was spent trying to improve the trade AI and a lot of the other stuff that was done to satisfy solo players could have been spent improving the core gameplay/AI that effects every league, solo or online.

clarnzz · 11-06-2003, 05:47 AM

Isn't injury frequency an adjustable setting?

Steve Kuffrey · 11-06-2003, 07:42 AM

Injury frequency is adjustable. Time has been given to both the "solo" and "online" areas of the game in patches and updates and probably will continue.

clarnzz · 11-06-2003, 08:09 AM

I thought so, it made me start to wonder when people started talking about too many or too few injuries.

JerseyPride · 11-07-2003, 12:46 AM

After reading these posts, I was curious to see if there are any plans in future OOTP versions to allow GM's to play each other online, like described in these other posts.

Steve Kuffrey · 11-07-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by JerseyPride
After reading these posts, I was curious to see if there are any plans in future OOTP versions to allow GM's to play each other online, like described in these other posts.

This has been an idea from the beginning, when and if it is added I really don't know.

obaslg · 11-07-2003, 04:12 AM

The different perspectives are funny. I'm in the camp that finds solo play, after a combined 35 or so seasons, pretty boring, and it seems to me that almost all of the upgrade time has been spent on core issues or solo issues.

One of the reasons I think that is because I assume that a job like "improve the trade AI" is enormously more difficult than "allow export of FA offers." The recent patch problems may be proving me wrong.

I do agree that core game issues affecting all types of play, like the on-field AI, are probably the best place to start.

Am I the only one who finds the fact that the whole engine is changing not exciting, but scary?

ey215 · 11-07-2003, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by obaslg
Am I the only one who finds the fact that the whole engine is changing not exciting, but scary?

I find it to be very exciting. The changes Markus is going to put in place will make our little baseball universes only more realistic. There will be some steps back, there always are when you do a major rebuild, but overall with the support Markus has given this community, and vice versa, the things that need to be fixed will be and we'll all be better off for it.

Having played OOTP for a long time and seeing the game grow in its scope and appeal I cannot wait for the overhaul of the game engine. I have complete faith in OOTP Developments to produce a game that will make my wife want to kill them even more than she does now.

It may be a wee bit scary though also.

sporr · 11-07-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by obaslg

Am I the only one who finds the fact that the whole engine is changing not exciting, but scary?

Think of it this way -- The current OOTP engine is like that old computer that you've had for several years. You've already upgraded it almost as much as you can. It's served you quite well and it's done most of what you've needed it to. However, there are some new things that you would like to do that it doesn't really handle that well. By buying a brand new PC, you'll be able to upgrade it that much more in the future. You can build on a foundation that is already much better than your old system.

Now, the new PC will take a lot of getting used to and there may be a little of a learning curve to get you up to speed on all of the new improvements. There might even be some kinks here and there as you adjust to the way things work. But in the long run, you're in a much better position for the future.

thbroman · 11-07-2003, 05:37 PM

Ok, guys, time for a REALLY naive question: are the "only" problems with the 5.13 patch on-line/MP ones? I downloaded it soon after it was released, played a little bit and didn't detect anything. Since those first couple of hours, I haven't really had time to play anything. I ask because I am exclusively a solo gamer, in part because I am hesitant to make the time commitment to other people that I fear a MP environment would ask of me. (This last issue is perhaps something I should post for input from others).

11-05-2003, 11:15 PM	#26
Chas Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Peru, Maine Posts: 135	Quick question on the 5.13 fixes --- will it fix the INCREASED injuries seen in 5.13 compared to 5.12 ?? It almost seems like the earlier issues that were fixed with player injuries were missed with 5.13 and not it's back to an unrealistic number of injuries again... Hopefully this is on the 'hit list' and in testing. Thanks, Chas __________________ Chas Bone Breaking Football League-http://www.cbbfl.com

11-05-2003, 11:24 PM	#27
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Chas, I maybe wrong but I don't think that anything to do with "injuries" was touched w/ 5.13 or 5.14. I'll try to check and see. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-06-2003, 12:24 AM	#28
Karl Marx Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 213	That's funny I was at work, yesterday, wishing the game had more injuries to kinda force me to be a samarter GM... I don't think this is an issue. __________________ "The art of remembering and forgetting will also insure against sticking fast in some relationship of life, and make possible the realization of a complete freedom." Kierkegaard

11-06-2003, 07:42 AM	#33
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Injury frequency is adjustable. Time has been given to both the "solo" and "online" areas of the game in patches and updates and probably will continue. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-07-2003, 12:46 AM	#35
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	After reading these posts, I was curious to see if there are any plans in future OOTP versions to allow GM's to play each other online, like described in these other posts. __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

11-05-2003, 10:13 PM	#21
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Nukester, Although your correct in the true definition of "online" I think the issue the others are bringing up is that the multi-person element of this game "called" online is what many of the owners prefer over solo play. Keep in mind that Markus has done a lot in "both worlds" as this game has developed, and will continue to do so. Favoring one group over the other would not be a good business move. I also would disagree that Markus had done more in the solo side of the game - beyond the fact that the solo game was there first. He has done a lot to fulfill requests for the multiplayer leagues.

11-05-2003, 10:15 PM	#22
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I loved solo play, did it constantly for a few months after first being introduced to OOTP. Now though I very rarely play solo. When the new "current" roster sets come out, I fiddle around with them a bit, but it slowly deteriorates into me simming months at a time and eventually finds itself in the trash can. With so many great leagues out there, especially historical ones that are ran better than I could run a solo one, I just don't see the point of solo play anymore unless the boredomarometer hits red.

11-05-2003, 10:15 PM	#23
chinaski Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: end of the bar Posts: 296	I know id much rather play this game against real human intelligence than the AI. While i understand the level of interaction you desire for the game to be a true 'online' game, the term 'online' for gaming is very broad. To me, OOTP is a MULTIPLAYER game. Sport games, whether sim or arcade, are meant by its very nature to be played by mulitple people. If ootp had no multiplayer abilities, it would wither and die... just like alot of leagues waiting for this damn patch :/

11-06-2003, 02:44 AM	#30
psychdrts Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 29	crowd chants RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!! RELEASE THE PATCH!!

11-06-2003, 05:47 AM	#32
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Isn't injury frequency an adjustable setting?

11-06-2003, 08:09 AM	#34
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I thought so, it made me start to wonder when people started talking about too many or too few injuries.

11-07-2003, 04:12 AM	#37
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	The different perspectives are funny. I'm in the camp that finds solo play, after a combined 35 or so seasons, pretty boring, and it seems to me that almost all of the upgrade time has been spent on core issues or solo issues. One of the reasons I think that is because I assume that a job like "improve the trade AI" is enormously more difficult than "allow export of FA offers." The recent patch problems may be proving me wrong. I do agree that core game issues affecting all types of play, like the on-field AI, are probably the best place to start. Am I the only one who finds the fact that the whole engine is changing not exciting, but scary? __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

11-07-2003, 05:37 PM	#40
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	Ok, guys, time for a REALLY naive question: are the "only" problems with the 5.13 patch on-line/MP ones? I downloaded it soon after it was released, played a little bit and didn't detect anything. Since those first couple of hours, I haven't really had time to play anything. I ask because I am exclusively a solo gamer, in part because I am hesitant to make the time commitment to other people that I fear a MP environment would ask of me. (This last issue is perhaps something I should post for input from others).