How many left and right handed pitches do you guys have?

Antmf · 08-01-2021, 09:20 PM

Is there a set number? Kind of new here and not sure what if I stood have an even split or what? Thanks

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NoOne · 08-01-2021, 10:53 PM

at the highest tier of player quality, i don't even look at it. exlcudes extreme splits in ratings, of course.. assumes well-rounded as part of qualification for the 'highest tier'

You have to get more creative when looking for bargain-bin hidden qualities -- so it doesn't amount to much in this scope unless you are a really bad team and everything is a huge step up, lol. A lefty that murders righties is useful in the pen, but i don't like wasting more than 1 space on a specialist. If i don't have a a lefty, oh well.

it is one factor of many... it is not a strong factor on its own unless the player's splits really suck. Can only have so many L/R platoons without screwing yourself on the offensive side too. While they can be great in many contexts, if possible better to avoid platoons. One guy barely plays.. hard to justify spending millions on that.

these factors are more relevant choosing between lesser players than 2+ all-star level caliber players.

I don't even look at it in draft. I do still look at splits - ratings... a giant hole is easy to see in any batter or pitcher. But, what round it is and what is available are larger factors... once narrowed down to best options, maybe handedness plays a role for me but rarely. really bad splits are always an important factor, though.

in the end, most of these choices re made for us simply by what is available. if a platoon is best, do it, but don't screw your future over. Money is your fuel.. don't waste it. More efficient use of money guarantees better results over time. Spend it wisely, avoid dead money... not only more wins, but more consistently capitalize on opportunities to acuire good talent.

The Game · 08-02-2021, 04:18 AM

While NoOne is not wrong, it comes down to the style you play. i do not play with the 3 batter minimum rule in place so typically i prefer at least 1 LHP in my rotation but i have had as many as 5. I prefer to have 2 LHP in my pen, typically no more than that. i like a LOOGY (left handed one out guy) in my pen. I also like to have at least 1 SU be a LHP.

I will change this depending on how the rest of my division looks.

In my EBL vs MLB league I recently won a ring. I had, foir most of the season 1 LHP in the rotation and 2 LHP in the pen. My LOOGY was terrible vs RHB. My division was RHB heavy and I have clones of Walter Johnson, Christy Matthewson & Shohei Otani in my rotation, so I didn;t care much about having a great LHP. Bill Lurte went 15-7 4.10 ERA (modern modifiers). None of my pen LHP did well. Club 5.06 ERA in 35 IP, Field 6.92 ERA,Ramos was a spot starter and was better as a SP than a MR. In my division there were no more than 1 power hitter LHB per team.

Now another team i am working on has this as its staff
Sale L

J. McDowell
Buehrle L

Fernandez
Alvarez L

Foulke
Radinsky L

B. Johnson
Barcelo
Wunsch L
Assenmacher L
R. Hernandez

Brad K · 08-02-2021, 08:18 AM

For starters, they're going to start when rested. And given the rest time that means there's not much ability to alter the rotation to get an advantage over an opponent. In one of my games I had four lefthanded starters and was concerned if that was a problem. I posted about it and the consensus was who cares if they get outs.

However in the post season when a pitcher is dropped from the rotation, if the 4th and 5th pitcher are close in ability and opposite hands, and the opposing lineup is biased one way of the other, then the decision on which pitcher to keep in the rotation may be based on handedness. Look at the sentence length. That's a lot of ifs to clear.

In the bullpen it's nice to have a lefty or two. However most of the time it seems handedness is the third criteria of who makes the big league roster behind overall ability and who has minor league options.

Dave Stieb II · 08-02-2021, 09:21 AM

IMO left or right handedness is not as important as their splits (and talent in general of course).
I use the three batter minimum rule so my relievers have to be able to get hitters on both sides of the plate out.
And for starters, the ability to get both LH and RH hitters out is even more important.
Generally speaking, for the rotation, I just want the five best arms I can cobble together. As pointed out, once the season gets rolling, your opportunities to juggle the rotation are limited, so its difficult to dictate match ups. So I go with my five best starters. Period.
Optimally, I like 3 of my 8 RP to be lefties but two will suffice if I have RH who can get lefties out. And again, with the 3 batter mimimum, there is no sense carrying ANY lefties just for the sake of having them if they can't get RH out.
Specialists (LOOGIES AND ROOGIES) are of little value to me.
So their pitching splits are the key.

Brad K · 08-02-2021, 09:41 AM

"Optimally, I like 3 of my 8 RP"

When posting I need to remember the realities of modern baseball.

I stop playing when the game wants more than 11 pitchers.

Dave Stieb II · 08-02-2021, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad K

"Optimally, I like 3 of my 8 RP"

When posting I need to remember the realities of modern baseball.

I stop playing when the game wants more than 11 pitchers.

I fully understand. There was a long period where the modern day RL game turned me off for reasons just such as this - the pitching specialists and the number of RP - and a multitude of others.
I only played Diamond MInd historical seasons.
Then I reacquainted myself with OOTP five versions ago (I had purchased version 8 or 10 many years back) and it coincided with a renewed interest in RL farm systems and player development, something i had followed closely several years ago but let slide.
Obviously, no other game comes close to offering the depth and scope of what OOTP does in this regard. Consequently, I've only been playing standard (current) games with these five versions.

oldfatbaldguy · 08-05-2021, 08:22 PM

I don't know if the AI takes advantage of lopsided bullpens, but I know I do. If a left-handed starter leaves early and the bullpen has no lefties, there's no reason to hesitate about platoon substitutions.

ezpkns34 · 08-05-2021, 09:17 PM

I don't lock up relievers long term, so in general I'll see what my top 6 relievers look like and if it's no lefties, then I'll grab 2 when looking to fill out the pen

I also heavily platoon with position players. I run a 4 bat bench to platoon at C, 2B, CF & RF on my current team (DH, so no pitcher to pinch for)

BBGiovanni · 08-10-2021, 01:46 PM

To grossly over-generalize I usually use 8 relievers for current day play, and tend to have 2 short relief lefties and one long relief lefty (I use long relievers a lot in OOTP, so usually carry one lefty and one righty).

RchW · 08-10-2021, 02:05 PM

It changes every season and also within the season due to availability, injuries, trades and demotion/promotion due to performance.

Brad K · 08-10-2021, 09:21 PM

The perfect setup only lasts until someone gets hurt or can't perform anymore. Meaning it doesn't last long.

redranger · 08-15-2021, 10:14 AM

Ideally. I like to have at least one in my rotation of five starters and two in my bullpen (I like for my setup guys to be one righty and one lefty) so I can try to optimize any lineup I face in the eighth inning

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fuzzy_patters · 08-15-2021, 12:58 PM

I’m like everybody else in this thread in that talent trumps handedness, but I do prefer to have a couple of lefties in the bullpen.

The other consideration that I have is the order of my rotation. I go with the best five regardless of handedness, but if I end up with a couple of guys who are a different handedness from the other three, I will set the rotation up so they don’t pitch back to
back. The reason for this is reliever fatigue. For example, let’s say I have two right handed starters and two left handed relievers. The right handed starters are going to trigger more left handed platoons in my opponent’s lineups, which means my left handed relievers are going to get more work on those days. By splitting the two right handed started up, I can help my lefties get more rest between appearances.

Cryomaniac · 08-16-2021, 04:34 PM

I like to have a lefty specialist. Other that it's irrelevant to me.

TommyDisorda · 08-21-2021, 01:31 PM

At least you guys get to decide the make-up of your team. I am playing as a 1980 AA team, so I have to make do with whatever numbnuts in Pittsburgh sends me,and takes away.
About 4 days ago,I lost my best 2 starters to AAA. Tough, but that's what I'm there for. To plug the gap, I get a guy who was supposed to be a closer in A-ball (he does have a 60 endurance rating)with a ghastly ERA,although a BABIP of .450 makes it look worse.
I have now lost one of my middle relievers to AAA,with no replacement, so my pitching staff looks like this :
Rotation is 4 man until I need a 5th - 2 righties ,2 lefties.
Bull-pen is 2 righties (long man and closer) and 4 lefties (2 set-up men and 2 middle relief)

I have also spent most of the season with a 5 man rotation and 5 man bullpen,so I have a quiet chuckle about complaints of an 8 man bullpen.
righties, 2 lefties.

08-01-2021, 09:20 PM	#1
Antmf Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 89	How many left and right handed pitches do you guys have? Is there a set number? Kind of new here and not sure what if I stood have an even split or what? Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-01-2021, 10:53 PM	#2
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,256 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	at the highest tier of player quality, i don't even look at it. exlcudes extreme splits in ratings, of course.. assumes well-rounded as part of qualification for the 'highest tier' You have to get more creative when looking for bargain-bin hidden qualities -- so it doesn't amount to much in this scope unless you are a really bad team and everything is a huge step up, lol. A lefty that murders righties is useful in the pen, but i don't like wasting more than 1 space on a specialist. If i don't have a a lefty, oh well. it is one factor of many... it is not a strong factor on its own unless the player's splits really suck. Can only have so many L/R platoons without screwing yourself on the offensive side too. While they can be great in many contexts, if possible better to avoid platoons. One guy barely plays.. hard to justify spending millions on that. these factors are more relevant choosing between lesser players than 2+ all-star level caliber players. I don't even look at it in draft. I do still look at splits - ratings... a giant hole is easy to see in any batter or pitcher. But, what round it is and what is available are larger factors... once narrowed down to best options, maybe handedness plays a role for me but rarely. really bad splits are always an important factor, though. in the end, most of these choices re made for us simply by what is available. if a platoon is best, do it, but don't screw your future over. Money is your fuel.. don't waste it. More efficient use of money guarantees better results over time. Spend it wisely, avoid dead money... not only more wins, but more consistently capitalize on opportunities to acuire good talent. Last edited by NoOne; 08-01-2021 at 10:57 PM.

08-02-2021, 04:18 AM	#3
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	While NoOne is not wrong, it comes down to the style you play. i do not play with the 3 batter minimum rule in place so typically i prefer at least 1 LHP in my rotation but i have had as many as 5. I prefer to have 2 LHP in my pen, typically no more than that. i like a LOOGY (left handed one out guy) in my pen. I also like to have at least 1 SU be a LHP. I will change this depending on how the rest of my division looks. In my EBL vs MLB league I recently won a ring. I had, foir most of the season 1 LHP in the rotation and 2 LHP in the pen. My LOOGY was terrible vs RHB. My division was RHB heavy and I have clones of Walter Johnson, Christy Matthewson & Shohei Otani in my rotation, so I didn;t care much about having a great LHP. Bill Lurte went 15-7 4.10 ERA (modern modifiers). None of my pen LHP did well. Club 5.06 ERA in 35 IP, Field 6.92 ERA,Ramos was a spot starter and was better as a SP than a MR. In my division there were no more than 1 power hitter LHB per team. Now another team i am working on has this as its staff Sale L J. McDowell Buehrle L Fernandez Alvarez L Foulke Radinsky L B. Johnson Barcelo Wunsch L Assenmacher L R. Hernandez __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-02-2021, 08:18 AM	#4
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,622 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	For starters, they're going to start when rested. And given the rest time that means there's not much ability to alter the rotation to get an advantage over an opponent. In one of my games I had four lefthanded starters and was concerned if that was a problem. I posted about it and the consensus was who cares if they get outs. However in the post season when a pitcher is dropped from the rotation, if the 4th and 5th pitcher are close in ability and opposite hands, and the opposing lineup is biased one way of the other, then the decision on which pitcher to keep in the rotation may be based on handedness. Look at the sentence length. That's a lot of ifs to clear. In the bullpen it's nice to have a lefty or two. However most of the time it seems handedness is the third criteria of who makes the big league roster behind overall ability and who has minor league options. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers Settings and Auto-calc Last edited by Brad K; 08-02-2021 at 08:19 AM.

08-02-2021, 09:41 AM	#6
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,622 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	"Optimally, I like 3 of my 8 RP" When posting I need to remember the realities of modern baseball. I stop playing when the game wants more than 11 pitchers. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers Settings and Auto-calc

08-02-2021, 09:21 AM	#5
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 664	IMO left or right handedness is not as important as their splits (and talent in general of course). I use the three batter minimum rule so my relievers have to be able to get hitters on both sides of the plate out. And for starters, the ability to get both LH and RH hitters out is even more important. Generally speaking, for the rotation, I just want the five best arms I can cobble together. As pointed out, once the season gets rolling, your opportunities to juggle the rotation are limited, so its difficult to dictate match ups. So I go with my five best starters. Period. Optimally, I like 3 of my 8 RP to be lefties but two will suffice if I have RH who can get lefties out. And again, with the 3 batter mimimum, there is no sense carrying ANY lefties just for the sake of having them if they can't get RH out. Specialists (LOOGIES AND ROOGIES) are of little value to me. So their pitching splits are the key.

08-05-2021, 08:22 PM	#8
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 384	I don't know if the AI takes advantage of lopsided bullpens, but I know I do. If a left-handed starter leaves early and the bullpen has no lefties, there's no reason to hesitate about platoon substitutions.

08-05-2021, 09:17 PM	#9
ezpkns34 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 703	I don't lock up relievers long term, so in general I'll see what my top 6 relievers look like and if it's no lefties, then I'll grab 2 when looking to fill out the pen I also heavily platoon with position players. I run a 4 bat bench to platoon at C, 2B, CF & RF on my current team (DH, so no pitcher to pinch for) Last edited by ezpkns34; 08-05-2021 at 09:19 PM.

08-10-2021, 01:46 PM	#10
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,874	To grossly over-generalize I usually use 8 relievers for current day play, and tend to have 2 short relief lefties and one long relief lefty (I use long relievers a lot in OOTP, so usually carry one lefty and one righty). __________________ Let's Go (San Jose) Giants, Let's Go Mets! Current Project: WBAT/AABBA: Organized Base Ball And the "New Normal" World Baseball Aid Tournament 2023 trophy round underway!

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Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,622 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	The perfect setup only lasts until someone gets hurt or can't perform anymore. Meaning it doesn't last long. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers Settings and Auto-calc

08-15-2021, 10:14 AM	#13
redranger All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 573	Ideally. I like to have at least one in my rotation of five starters and two in my bullpen (I like for my setup guys to be one righty and one lefty) so I can try to optimize any lineup I face in the eighth inning Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-15-2021, 12:58 PM	#14
fuzzy_patters All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,806	I’m like everybody else in this thread in that talent trumps handedness, but I do prefer to have a couple of lefties in the bullpen. The other consideration that I have is the order of my rotation. I go with the best five regardless of handedness, but if I end up with a couple of guys who are a different handedness from the other three, I will set the rotation up so they don’t pitch back to back. The reason for this is reliever fatigue. For example, let’s say I have two right handed starters and two left handed relievers. The right handed starters are going to trigger more left handed platoons in my opponent’s lineups, which means my left handed relievers are going to get more work on those days. By splitting the two right handed started up, I can help my lefties get more rest between appearances.

08-16-2021, 04:34 PM	#15
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,903	I like to have a lefty specialist. Other that it's irrelevant to me. __________________

08-21-2021, 01:31 PM	#16
TommyDisorda Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: england Posts: 10	At least you guys get to decide the make-up of your team. I am playing as a 1980 AA team, so I have to make do with whatever numbnuts in Pittsburgh sends me,and takes away. About 4 days ago,I lost my best 2 starters to AAA. Tough, but that's what I'm there for. To plug the gap, I get a guy who was supposed to be a closer in A-ball (he does have a 60 endurance rating)with a ghastly ERA,although a BABIP of .450 makes it look worse. I have now lost one of my middle relievers to AAA,with no replacement, so my pitching staff looks like this : Rotation is 4 man until I need a 5th - 2 righties ,2 lefties. Bull-pen is 2 righties (long man and closer) and 4 lefties (2 set-up men and 2 middle relief) I have also spent most of the season with a 5 man rotation and 5 man bullpen,so I have a quiet chuckle about complaints of an 8 man bullpen. righties, 2 lefties.