So who simulates the minors?

DHS23 · 05-27-2002, 05:20 PM

I've noticed quite a slowdown when I'm simulating the minors, so I'll usually not sim them.

Do you sim the minors or not?

Steve Kuffrey · 05-27-2002, 05:24 PM

100% of the time, but I'm running an Athlon 1.2 gig w/ 512 meg of RAM so it really doesn't bother me.

JML · 05-27-2002, 05:24 PM

I do, but I've been lucky enough to avoid the slowdown problems that others have experienced. Also, I play out all of my team's games so I'm not looking for Mogulesque sim times.

And I don't even have an ubersystem. It's 4 years old. I think that's like 700 in computer years.

JimboGM · 05-27-2002, 06:44 PM

I sim the minors, but I don't have a very fast computer at all. It takes a while but I really enjoy having the minor league stats and I haven't run into any shutdown problems yet. Hopefully I won't ever run into them.

Killebrew · 05-27-2002, 07:31 PM

I always sim the minors, and on a lowend machine (333cel 96 MB RAM). As long as the PC is running effeciently simming the minors is barely noticable as far as sim slowdowns are concerned.

hellfrozeover · 05-27-2002, 09:07 PM

Always. I have a mid-level computer and I also play out all my games so I don't really expect fantastic sim times, but I usually don't see any slowdowns when simming those off days.

CaLíKrAzY · 05-27-2002, 10:58 PM

For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.

edm · 05-28-2002, 01:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DHS23:
I've noticed quite a slowdown when I'm simulating the minors, so I'll usually not sim them.

Do you sim the minors or not?<hr /></blockquote>I never used to sim the minors with OOTP3 for 2 reasons, the slow down was pretty bad on my old 500MHZ machine. And secondly there was no easy way to view minor leaguers stats, so I didn't see any reason to. But now with version 4 I always sim them since you can view the stats on the rosters menu. I also have a 1.4 GHZ PC now so I don't really notice the time difference anyway.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY:
For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.<hr /></blockquote>It shouldn't take to long to play out a full season since you can play a game in 10 minutes or so. once the Rolan/geforce rosters come out I plan on playing an entire season with the Phils. I figure 10 minutes a game, could probably do 20 games a week on average (more if its a slow week

.. so that's about 2 months for an entire season.

Steve Kuffrey · 05-28-2002, 02:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY:
For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.<hr /></blockquote>I'm in season 5 or 6 and play out roughly 90-95% of my games, usually can't play them all out due to the nature of switching to a "test" league to check a problem, etc.

Sweed · 05-28-2002, 02:29 AM

I sim all minors all the time. 600mghz machine and don't notice any slowdown at all. I also play all my games, currently playing a 2k2 season with the Cubs with Rolens opening roster. In a 1969 season I tried playing one game per series and simming the rest but did not like it, dosen't leave me with any feel for what's going on. Whenever you really need your top closer in an important game the AI has tired him out the day before in a game that doesn't mean as much. I'm in no rush to complete seasons as fast as possible
I figure I'll play what I can and when ootp5 comes out I'll import my career to that and continue. I started with Rolen's roster to have a base of players I'm familiar with but look forward to the day that all the current players are retired and my game is filled with fictional players.

angryelvis · 05-28-2002, 04:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
It shouldn't take to long to play out a full season since you can play a game in 10 minutes or so. once the Rolan/geforce rosters come out I plan on playing an entire season with the Phils. I figure 10 minutes a game, could probably do 20 games a week on average (more if its a slow week

.. so that's about 2 months for an entire season.<hr /></blockquote>You play a game in 10 minutes? How? I'm usually 20-30 but maybe that's because I keep an eye pointed to the tv or the wife.

Scott Vibert · 05-28-2002, 04:39 AM

Simulate the minors all the time... play out between 90 and 100% of my teams games during each season (normally 140-154 games). It normally takes me between 3 weeks and a couple of months to play out an entire season and between 15 minutes to a half hour to play a game (depending on whats on the TV or radio, or if I get distracted by the phone or something).

CMH · 05-28-2002, 10:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY:
For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.<hr /></blockquote>I play every single game. including all star game and the playoffs. I am currently in the month of September in my second year. I love it and enjoy it fully. I usually play out one whole series and then do something else important...like school work(yea i'm taking summer sessions

) or work, or wateva. to play out three games it takes me about 45 minutes. about 15 minutes per game. not a problem at all.

i figure if i play out a series per day (which i dont, i usually play out 2 or 3 series') i can finish a season in 2 months. in one year i would have played 6 years. I NEVER playeed a full season in any baseball game ever. so i'm excited i'm almost done with my second year. plus i'm in no rush b/c i DONT have to buy OOTP5 and if i do (which i most likely will) i can always import my season in OOTP4 to OOTP5. so why rush?

Strick9 · 05-28-2002, 10:53 AM

I play almost every game,,I'd say over 95%,,it's just way more enjoyable to me that way, but it does take a while. I was able to get thru 2 1/2 seasons in stb 2k2,,and I'm now only about 30games short of finishing my first season in ootp4,,but a lot of that's because I'm a lot busier now than I was over the winter. It also takes me about 15mins to finish a game,,if I'm lucky and have nothing else going on I'll play for an hour a night,,get in a 3-game series then have 15mins or so to check the league leaders and manage rosters/minors/etc on my team.

And i always sim minors,,on a p3 600 with 128megs of ram and winme,,experience no noticable slowdowns.

[ 05-28-2002, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Strick9 ]

JML · 05-28-2002, 11:44 AM

A lot of the slowdowns people have mentioned here and in the past must have to do with specific brands/setups of hardware, because I'm seeing a lot of people with somewhat outdated machines having no problem with slow times. I think I've got most of you beat,and I have never had slowdown problems in v3 or v4. I'm using a PII 400, 256 MB. I recently upped my RAM from 128 MB, and it had a marginal effect. Even w/ 128 MB, I was still chugging along nicely. In contrast, I've heard of people with 1+ GHz, 500+ MB having problems.

I consider myself one of the lucky ones. Even using a Gateway.

[ 05-28-2002, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: JML ]

Killebrew · 05-28-2002, 01:00 PM

A real key point about minor league sim speed (and game speed in general) is the amount of players teams have in the minors. Since this is a pet peeve issue with me I make sure all clubs full rosters are under 100 players - ideally closer to around 85 players or less. The difference in sim speed is tremendous when the minor league rosters are not overflowing with scrub players.

Limiting the minor league roster sizes also allows you to avoid most of the games crash/freeze issues some users have experienced.

warefreak · 05-28-2002, 01:24 PM

I definitely sim the minors. It just makes the game more realistic, which of course is the whole point. Plus in my AAA club I see that a batter is hitting 390 with some dang good power or a pitcher has an ERA under 3 and has a lot of wins... it's time to bring him up.

It's my preference to not play the games though. I tried at first but it was too slow for me, and it's just as fun as reading the game log as it was to actually play the game. When it comes to the end of the season and I'm in a race to get to the playoffs I do play though, as I feel I can win a game better than the sim could.

MizzouRah · 05-28-2002, 03:11 PM

I played my first season game by game, but now I only play games that I have a rookie playing for the first time or maybe see a player I just traded for.

I have a PII 400 pc with 256mb ram and a GeForce 400mx video card. It's getting slower and slower, but not annoyingly slow yet.

I almost posted a message asking on tips to speed up the game. I have logs off and that seems to help. Any other things to do? I *think* box scores are erased at the end of the year??

Todd

Killebrew · 05-28-2002, 03:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TrueCardinalFan:
I played my first season game by game, but now I only play games that I have a rookie playing for the first time or maybe see a player I just traded for.

I have a PII 400 pc with 256mb ram and a GeForce 400mx video card. It's getting slower and slower, but not annoyingly slow yet.

I almost posted a message asking on tips to speed up the game. I have logs off and that seems to help. Any other things to do? I *think* box scores are erased at the end of the year??

Todd<hr /></blockquote>Things to do to speed up the game:
- Make sure your minor league teams are not overfilled with too many players - as I wrote above that has a major impact on game speed.
- Don't set injuries to above "normal"
- Don't set AI trading too high (I forget if that is adjustable so disregard this tip if it's just a on-off setting)
- For speed simming turn log and box score generation off, and make sure that the game is not interupted by special events like no-hitters etc.

Other than that it still sometimes seems that simming a day with no scheduled games takes as long as simming a week of double headers, so don't think that long daily sim times means that simming a month at a time will take an hour

.

Box scores deleted: I don't think box scores are ever erased, but I imagine they are overwritten eventually by new boxscores. I think that will barely impact game speed issues though - certainly they should have no impact after they are created - the game creating them is the only way they would effect speed.

MizzouRah · 05-28-2002, 04:26 PM

Thanks for the post Killebrew! I do keep the minors trimmed and only have a 4 round draft each season.

I can handle the speed becase I know it must be doing some serious stat tracking and it makes the game at least feel more accurate. My system is maxed out and it does a decent job with my daughters games.

Todd

05-27-2002, 05:20 PM	#1
DHS23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 506	So who simulates the minors? I've noticed quite a slowdown when I'm simulating the minors, so I'll usually not sim them. Do you sim the minors or not?

05-27-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	100% of the time, but I'm running an Athlon 1.2 gig w/ 512 meg of RAM so it really doesn't bother me. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

05-27-2002, 06:44 PM	#4
JimboGM Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 69	I sim the minors, but I don't have a very fast computer at all. It takes a while but I really enjoy having the minor league stats and I haven't run into any shutdown problems yet. Hopefully I won't ever run into them. __________________ The Baseball Classic- St. Paul Apostles http://happybandits.com/ootp/online_leagues/sbc_main/- Geelong Cats http://statsplus.net/cba/- Detroit Motors

05-27-2002, 07:31 PM	#5
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I always sim the minors, and on a lowend machine (333cel 96 MB RAM). As long as the PC is running effeciently simming the minors is barely noticable as far as sim slowdowns are concerned. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

05-27-2002, 09:07 PM	#6
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Always. I have a mid-level computer and I also play out all my games so I don't really expect fantastic sim times, but I usually don't see any slowdowns when simming those off days. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

05-27-2002, 05:24 PM	#3
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	I do, but I've been lucky enough to avoid the slowdown problems that others have experienced. Also, I play out all of my team's games so I'm not looking for Mogulesque sim times. And I don't even have an ubersystem. It's 4 years old. I think that's like 700 in computer years.

05-27-2002, 10:58 PM	#7
CaLíKrAzY All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Costa Mesa, CaLí Posts: 722	For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.

05-28-2002, 01:11 AM	#8
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by DHS23: <strong>I've noticed quite a slowdown when I'm simulating the minors, so I'll usually not sim them. Do you sim the minors or not?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I never used to sim the minors with OOTP3 for 2 reasons, the slow down was pretty bad on my old 500MHZ machine. And secondly there was no easy way to view minor leaguers stats, so I didn't see any reason to. But now with version 4 I always sim them since you can view the stats on the rosters menu. I also have a 1.4 GHZ PC now so I don't really notice the time difference anyway. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY: <strong>For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It shouldn't take to long to play out a full season since you can play a game in 10 minutes or so. once the Rolan/geforce rosters come out I plan on playing an entire season with the Phils. I figure 10 minutes a game, could probably do 20 games a week on average (more if its a slow week .. so that's about 2 months for an entire season.

05-28-2002, 02:08 AM	#9
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY: <strong>For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm in season 5 or 6 and play out roughly 90-95% of my games, usually can't play them all out due to the nature of switching to a "test" league to check a problem, etc. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

05-28-2002, 04:11 AM	#11
angryelvis Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 89	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> <strong>It shouldn't take to long to play out a full season since you can play a game in 10 minutes or so. once the Rolan/geforce rosters come out I plan on playing an entire season with the Phils. I figure 10 minutes a game, could probably do 20 games a week on average (more if its a slow week .. so that's about 2 months for an entire season.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You play a game in 10 minutes? How? I'm usually 20-30 but maybe that's because I keep an eye pointed to the tv or the wife.

05-28-2002, 04:39 AM	#12
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,248	Simulate the minors all the time... play out between 90 and 100% of my teams games during each season (normally 140-154 games). It normally takes me between 3 weeks and a couple of months to play out an entire season and between 15 minutes to a half hour to play a game (depending on whats on the TV or radio, or if I get distracted by the phone or something).

05-28-2002, 10:37 AM	#13
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CaLíKrAzY: <strong>For guys who don't sim at all and play out all the games how long does it take you?? Im guessing forever and also has anyone actually finished 162 games and played out everyone?? Just curious & if you have I give you mad props.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I play every single game. including all star game and the playoffs. I am currently in the month of September in my second year. I love it and enjoy it fully. I usually play out one whole series and then do something else important...like school work(yea i'm taking summer sessions ) or work, or wateva. to play out three games it takes me about 45 minutes. about 15 minutes per game. not a problem at all. i figure if i play out a series per day (which i dont, i usually play out 2 or 3 series') i can finish a season in 2 months. in one year i would have played 6 years. I NEVER playeed a full season in any baseball game ever. so i'm excited i'm almost done with my second year. plus i'm in no rush b/c i DONT have to buy OOTP5 and if i do (which i most likely will) i can always import my season in OOTP4 to OOTP5. so why rush?

05-28-2002, 10:53 AM	#14
Strick9 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 83	I play almost every game,,I'd say over 95%,,it's just way more enjoyable to me that way, but it does take a while. I was able to get thru 2 1/2 seasons in stb 2k2,,and I'm now only about 30games short of finishing my first season in ootp4,,but a lot of that's because I'm a lot busier now than I was over the winter. It also takes me about 15mins to finish a game,,if I'm lucky and have nothing else going on I'll play for an hour a night,,get in a 3-game series then have 15mins or so to check the league leaders and manage rosters/minors/etc on my team. And i always sim minors,,on a p3 600 with 128megs of ram and winme,,experience no noticable slowdowns. <small>[ 05-28-2002, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Strick9 ]</small>

05-28-2002, 11:44 AM	#15
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	A lot of the slowdowns people have mentioned here and in the past must have to do with specific brands/setups of hardware, because I'm seeing a lot of people with somewhat outdated machines having no problem with slow times. I think I've got most of you beat,and I have never had slowdown problems in v3 or v4. I'm using a PII 400, 256 MB. I recently upped my RAM from 128 MB, and it had a marginal effect. Even w/ 128 MB, I was still chugging along nicely. In contrast, I've heard of people with 1+ GHz, 500+ MB having problems. I consider myself one of the lucky ones. Even using a Gateway. <small>[ 05-28-2002, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: JML ]</small>

05-28-2002, 01:00 PM	#16
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	A real key point about minor league sim speed (and game speed in general) is the amount of players teams have in the minors. Since this is a pet peeve issue with me I make sure all clubs full rosters are under 100 players - ideally closer to around 85 players or less. The difference in sim speed is tremendous when the minor league rosters are not overflowing with scrub players. Limiting the minor league roster sizes also allows you to avoid most of the games crash/freeze issues some users have experienced. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

05-28-2002, 01:24 PM	#17
warefreak Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tacoma Area, WA Posts: 69	I definitely sim the minors. It just makes the game more realistic, which of course is the whole point. Plus in my AAA club I see that a batter is hitting 390 with some dang good power or a pitcher has an ERA under 3 and has a lot of wins... it's time to bring him up. It's my preference to not play the games though. I tried at first but it was too slow for me, and it's just as fun as reading the game log as it was to actually play the game. When it comes to the end of the season and I'm in a race to get to the playoffs I do play though, as I feel I can win a game better than the sim could. __________________ "I before E except after C. Our Society is weird." -Unknown

05-28-2002, 03:11 PM	#18
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	I played my first season game by game, but now I only play games that I have a rookie playing for the first time or maybe see a player I just traded for. I have a PII 400 pc with 256mb ram and a GeForce 400mx video card. It's getting slower and slower, but not annoyingly slow yet. I almost posted a message asking on tips to speed up the game. I have logs off and that seems to help. Any other things to do? I think box scores are erased at the end of the year?? Todd

05-28-2002, 03:44 PM	#19
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by TrueCardinalFan: <strong>I played my first season game by game, but now I only play games that I have a rookie playing for the first time or maybe see a player I just traded for. I have a PII 400 pc with 256mb ram and a GeForce 400mx video card. It's getting slower and slower, but not annoyingly slow yet. I almost posted a message asking on tips to speed up the game. I have logs off and that seems to help. Any other things to do? I think box scores are erased at the end of the year?? Todd</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Things to do to speed up the game: - Make sure your minor league teams are not overfilled with too many players - as I wrote above that has a major impact on game speed. - Don't set injuries to above "normal" - Don't set AI trading too high (I forget if that is adjustable so disregard this tip if it's just a on-off setting) - For speed simming turn log and box score generation off, and make sure that the game is not interupted by special events like no-hitters etc. Other than that it still sometimes seems that simming a day with no scheduled games takes as long as simming a week of double headers, so don't think that long daily sim times means that simming a month at a time will take an hour . Box scores deleted: I don't think box scores are ever erased, but I imagine they are overwritten eventually by new boxscores. I think that will barely impact game speed issues though - certainly they should have no impact after they are created - the game creating them is the only way they would effect speed. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

05-28-2002, 04:26 PM	#20
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	Thanks for the post Killebrew! I do keep the minors trimmed and only have a 4 round draft each season. I can handle the speed becase I know it must be doing some serious stat tracking and it makes the game at least feel more accurate. My system is maxed out and it does a decent job with my daughters games. Todd