AI Manager Fired after Making it to World Series

Vegas Vic · 07-27-2021, 04:49 PM

This is from a 100 year fictional sim I'm doing before I take over in 2000. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. The Cincinnati Reds just fired their manager after making it to the playoffs three out of the last four years, including a World Series berth just before he got fired.

From the news feed: "The Reds have been a rudderless ship for a while now. Manny didn't seem fully focused on the job. Seemed distracted. Something was going on there. We need a new guy to step in and really take charge."

brotherblues · 07-27-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

This is from a 100 year fictional sim I'm doing before I take over in 2000. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. The Cincinnati Reds just fired their manager after making it to the playoffs three out of the last four years, including a World Series berth just before he got fired.

From the news feed: "The Reds have been a rudderless ship for a while now. Manny didn't seem fully focused on the job. Seemed distracted. Something was going on there. We need a new guy to step in and really take charge."

Interesting. What were his relationships?

Vegas Vic · 07-27-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brotherblues

Interesting. What were his relationships?

Nothing out of the ordinary as far as I can tell. Before he was hired, the Reds were perennial losers, making it to the playoffs only once in the previous 13 seasons. This guy leads them to three division titles in five years and gets fired after pushing the Yankees to the limit in a seven-game World Series.

beepollen · 07-27-2021, 11:50 PM

Echoes of Dick Howser's end in the Bronx.

brotherblues · 07-28-2021, 09:31 AM

Maybe the owner expectation was to "win it all" every season? That and maybe he's a finicky type. Can we see the owner's traits?

Bluenoser · 07-28-2021, 09:36 AM

Is the owner related to George Steinbrenner?

Is the Manager connected to Billy Martin in any way at all? Friends, maybe worked together, etc

That would explain a lot

Dave Stieb II · 07-28-2021, 10:24 AM

I'm assuming Marg Schott (Sr.) wasn't the owner.
Just searching for an explanation.

Vegas Vic · 07-28-2021, 12:15 PM

Unfortunately, I've simmed down the line to get to the year 2000, so I didn't think to look at the owner's tendencies.

I'll keep an eye out to see if I notice something like this happening again. If it does, I'll report it in the bugs forum. It could have just been some weird anomaly.

swoboda · 07-28-2021, 12:39 PM

Some of us may remember this one from 1964:

https://thisdayinbaseball.com/1964-d...anager-johnny/

jokerhusky1129 · 07-28-2021, 02:32 PM

This has happened occasionally in some of mine. Some owners are just idiots

Mancandy · 07-28-2021, 03:27 PM

The Giants let Dusty Baker go after losing in the World Series in 2002. The Yankees have done it a few times, as mentioned. Other managers have been let go after really good seasons. It’s definitely happened with coaches in other sports too…that quote about him not being focused on the job reminded me of Larry Brown getting fired because he was more interested in securing a job in the Cavs front office or on the Knicks bench than repeating as NBA champions with the Pistons.

As long as it’s rare, I don’t mind some off the wall things that are unexplainable on the surface happening once in a while. You just have to use a little artistic license to fill in the gaps and make it make sense.

lencombs · 07-28-2021, 09:03 PM

I want to hear Manny's side of the story after being fired due to lack of focus. He just led the team to the World Series and multiple playoff trips for an organization that had only been once in the dozen years before he arrived. Where will he land? His reputation is Excellent.

NoOne · 07-29-2021, 12:09 AM

i'm sure it has to do with personality preference or something... maybe, ai can see the suck ratings under the hood? (use editor to see if he is truly pedestrian or not..) if so, chalk it up to them knowing more from working with the guy... like in RL if 2 ppl can't work together, even with sucessful results, they will split quickly. (simplified)

jokerhusky1129 · 07-29-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mancandy

The Giants let Dusty Baker go after losing in the World Series in 2002. .

He wasn't exactly fired IIRC. I believe just his contract wasn't renewed. But yes, either way he did not return

David Watts · 07-29-2021, 02:10 PM

I would love to see OOTP address the available jobs problem at some point as well. If I decide late in a season to look for a managing job, one or two of the first place teams should not be listed as one of my options. I'm rated an inexperienced manager, I seriously doubt a contender is going to ditch their manager and hire me. The only teams available should be the ones struggling.

jokerhusky1129 · 07-29-2021, 02:53 PM

I always have to laugh when a Japanese or Korean manager gets the job. I'm sure they'd do great. But everything would have to be through an interpreter

NoOne · 07-29-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I would love to see OOTP address the available jobs problem at some point as well. If I decide late in a season to look for a managing job, one or two of the first place teams should not be listed as one of my options. I'm rated an inexperienced manager, I seriously doubt a contender is going to ditch their manager and hire me. The only teams available should be the ones struggling.

i though there was a setting for that?

think you'd have to do some mil work, eh?

Just date the owner's daughter!

JasonC23 · 08-01-2021, 03:59 PM

In my Flags Fly Forever League, you win the pennant, or you go home. The Brooklyn Kings became the first National League team ever to win 4 straight pennants, then came up a bit short in their bid for a league-record 5th straight. And, well, this happened...(owner, manager, and GM in next post).

JasonC23 · 08-01-2021, 04:01 PM

I know the owner is demanding, but still, expectations seemed to have been a bit...high.

(I also wonder why San Diego let Hansen go in the first place...)

JasonC23 · 08-01-2021, 09:18 PM

The next GM after being fired...who could have seen this coming?

07-27-2021, 04:49 PM	#1
Vegas Vic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Palm Coast, FL Posts: 166	AI Manager Fired after Making it to World Series This is from a 100 year fictional sim I'm doing before I take over in 2000. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. The Cincinnati Reds just fired their manager after making it to the playoffs three out of the last four years, including a World Series berth just before he got fired. From the news feed: "The Reds have been a rudderless ship for a while now. Manny didn't seem fully focused on the job. Seemed distracted. Something was going on there. We need a new guy to step in and really take charge." __________________ "We’ll pop the top on a cold beverage and get back to work tomorrow.” - Satonori Tanioka, Rookie of the Year, 10 times League MVP, 15 Silver Slugger Awards, 17 times All Star selection.

07-28-2021, 12:15 PM	#8
Vegas Vic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Palm Coast, FL Posts: 166	Unfortunately, I've simmed down the line to get to the year 2000, so I didn't think to look at the owner's tendencies. I'll keep an eye out to see if I notice something like this happening again. If it does, I'll report it in the bugs forum. It could have just been some weird anomaly. __________________ "We’ll pop the top on a cold beverage and get back to work tomorrow.” - Satonori Tanioka, Rookie of the Year, 10 times League MVP, 15 Silver Slugger Awards, 17 times All Star selection.

07-28-2021, 12:39 PM	#9
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,230	Some of us may remember this one from 1964: https://thisdayinbaseball.com/1964-d...anager-johnny/ __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

07-28-2021, 09:03 PM	#12
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 535	I want to hear Manny's side of the story after being fired due to lack of focus. He just led the team to the World Series and multiple playoff trips for an organization that had only been once in the dozen years before he arrived. Where will he land? His reputation is Excellent. __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

08-01-2021, 03:59 PM	#18
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 903	And here's what just happened in my 100-year sim... In my Flags Fly Forever League, you win the pennant, or you go home. The Brooklyn Kings became the first National League team ever to win 4 straight pennants, then came up a bit short in their bid for a league-record 5th straight. And, well, this happened...(owner, manager, and GM in next post). Attached Images

07-27-2021, 11:50 PM	#4
beepollen All Star Starter Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,187	Echoes of Dick Howser's end in the Bronx.

07-28-2021, 09:31 AM	#5
brotherblues All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 658	Maybe the owner expectation was to "win it all" every season? That and maybe he's a finicky type. Can we see the owner's traits?

07-28-2021, 09:36 AM	#6
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,533	Is the owner related to George Steinbrenner? Is the Manager connected to Billy Martin in any way at all? Friends, maybe worked together, etc That would explain a lot

07-28-2021, 10:24 AM	#7
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 661	I'm assuming Marg Schott (Sr.) wasn't the owner. Just searching for an explanation.

07-28-2021, 02:32 PM	#10
jokerhusky1129 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 456	This has happened occasionally in some of mine. Some owners are just idiots

07-28-2021, 03:27 PM	#11
Mancandy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	The Giants let Dusty Baker go after losing in the World Series in 2002. The Yankees have done it a few times, as mentioned. Other managers have been let go after really good seasons. It’s definitely happened with coaches in other sports too…that quote about him not being focused on the job reminded me of Larry Brown getting fired because he was more interested in securing a job in the Cavs front office or on the Knicks bench than repeating as NBA champions with the Pistons. As long as it’s rare, I don’t mind some off the wall things that are unexplainable on the surface happening once in a while. You just have to use a little artistic license to fill in the gaps and make it make sense.

07-29-2021, 12:09 AM	#13
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i'm sure it has to do with personality preference or something... maybe, ai can see the suck ratings under the hood? (use editor to see if he is truly pedestrian or not..) if so, chalk it up to them knowing more from working with the guy... like in RL if 2 ppl can't work together, even with sucessful results, they will split quickly. (simplified)

07-29-2021, 02:10 PM	#15
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,209 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I would love to see OOTP address the available jobs problem at some point as well. If I decide late in a season to look for a managing job, one or two of the first place teams should not be listed as one of my options. I'm rated an inexperienced manager, I seriously doubt a contender is going to ditch their manager and hire me. The only teams available should be the ones struggling.

07-29-2021, 02:53 PM	#16
jokerhusky1129 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 456	I always have to laugh when a Japanese or Korean manager gets the job. I'm sure they'd do great. But everything would have to be through an interpreter

08-01-2021, 04:01 PM	#19
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 903	Owner, manager, and GM in question I know the owner is demanding, but still, expectations seemed to have been a bit...high. (I also wonder why San Diego let Hansen go in the first place...) Attached Images Last edited by JasonC23; 08-01-2021 at 04:03 PM.

08-01-2021, 09:18 PM	#20
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 903	The fate of the next Brooklyn GM The next GM after being fired...who could have seen this coming? Attached Images