Cleveland Indians officially becoming the Cleveland Guardians - Page 3

Brad K · 07-23-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

Cleveland owner Paul Dolan noted Friday he hopes the name Guardians helps "unify our fans and city."
LOLOLOL
no not stopping raging inflation, or rampant crime, or corruption in local govt, or local homeless.....
The GUARDIANS will save the world!

fred... shut up before you get deleted again. I'm not going to by explaining 5% isn't raging.

joefromchicago · 07-23-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Yeah, but "Spiders" may cross the line in some regards. It's really, really hard to warm up to spiders. I look through the other MLB nicknames and I find nothing even close to giving me the creeps like spiders do. Not even diamondbacks.

The University of Richmond would disagree:

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There's Only One Spider

Richmond is the only university with a spider mascot, and we find that fitting. In nature, spiders are known for their tenacity and grit, their unexpected sociability, and the strength of the webs they work so diligently to create. Turns out UR Spiders aren’t much different. And although the origin of our mascot is difficult to pin down, our distinctive identity today is clear. The spider is a fittingly unique mascot for a university unlike any in higher education.

Although the mascot is downright frightening. And not in a good way.

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Déjà Bru · 07-23-2021, 05:42 PM

Woof. Just that picture gives me goosebumps.

Pacoheadley · 07-23-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

I have an idea maybe we'd still have "Indians" if it wasn't for Chief Wahoo. Even years ago as a kid I thought that was over the top.

And look at these two logos. The first is terribly insulting to pirates. Really casts them in a bad light. The second looks like an insurance salesman in a pirate costume for a Halloween party.

Can we not compare pirates to a racist team nickname and logo? It's obviously a completely different situation...

Eugene Church · 07-23-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

There's a thread in the Talk Sports section in which a couple of the forum members from Cleveland explain the name.

Thanks.

brotherblues · 07-23-2021, 05:49 PM

So the Braves are gonna be the Atlanta Avengers then?

Brad K · 07-23-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Isn't that second one Mel Gibson?

That's the 60s and 70s logo so I think not.

Brad K · 07-23-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacoheadley

Can we not compare pirates to a racist team nickname and logo? It's obviously a completely different situation...

It's not serious. The context is lost due to deleted posts.

andyhdz · 07-23-2021, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Spiders is so much cooler than Guardians. And it's so much more unique.

why would you name yourself after a team that holds the record for most losses in a season?

silvam14 · 07-23-2021, 06:12 PM

Don’t really care either way. It’s fine I suppose. The more people get bent out of shape about nicknames, the less I care about it.

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Dark Horse · 07-23-2021, 06:18 PM

I was hoping for Spiders. I would've like Blues. But Guardians is okay. It will take some time to get accustomed to.

NoOne · 07-23-2021, 06:34 PM

their mascot was a red-faced cartoonish indian with a stupid-looking smile... i have no problem with this. it was clearly a characature(sp?) of stereotypes.

I don't think the use of "indians" on its own should be a reason. I don't get mad at the 'fightin irish' stereotype of a drunk angry irishman, lol. I've also never faced beratement on a systemic level. that'll give you a unique perspective for sure.

i think each context should be given it's own process. apply same logical reasoning, get reasonable and consistent results. for example, the cmu chippewas (spelling). The school approached the tribe at some point (late 1980s?). The tribe said it was fine but change a few things. If i recall they didn't approve of the indian face on the helmets, so they changed it to some javelins or whatever they are, it doesn't matter. The point is, you make sure the culture you are are appropriating and making money in some way while using it isn't offended... it's pretty low effort stuff about whimsical things... let's be honest.. it's not that hard to be courteous and slightly sophisticated about it.

the indians mascot clearly wasn't in reverance of anything. cmu wanted to use the symbol in a respectful manner in which all parties were content. This is not a black and white issue.

in the end this is really small potatoes in the grand scheme, regardless. so, default to being less rude and exclusive being safer path for not looking silly from a historical point of view.

cephasjames · 07-23-2021, 06:49 PM

Because it's a cool name.

Hrbek14 · 07-23-2021, 07:20 PM

Huge missed opportunity. The Spiders is a fantastic name with local history and their gear would have been popular among people who aren't fans of the team or even baseball. Nobody outside Cleveland will be buying Guardians gear.

andyhdz · 07-23-2021, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark42661

I don't like it at all. I think they should have gone with the Cleveland Spiders... to pay homage to the Cleveland Spiders baseball team from the past. They could have done some amazing logos with the Spiders.

I don't think that a team that hasn't won a world series in over 70 years should have been named after another one that holds the record for most losses in a season.

Brad K · 07-23-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hrbek14

Huge missed opportunity. The Spiders is a fantastic name with local history and their gear would have been popular among people who aren't fans of the team or even baseball. Nobody outside Cleveland will be buying Guardians gear.

Outside Cleveland it will be thought to be a protest group of some sort.

Brad K · 07-23-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

Up next is the removal of supremacist WHITE SOX and Yankees. It is already in the works

Edit: Never mind. I see what happened.

RayFleetwood · 07-23-2021, 08:20 PM

The kindest word I come up with to describe the choice of Guardians is... Lame. The obvious choice of anyone who knows baseball history was Spiders.

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Originally Posted by brotherblues

So the Braves are gonna be the Atlanta Avengers then?

The Braves should, in my opinion, take the name of the Minor League team that was there from 1903 until 1965 before the Braves moved in, in 1966.....Atlanta Crackers. Short for Firecrackers by the way, not the pejorative for poor white folk.

Scipio Africanus · 07-23-2021, 08:57 PM

I always wonder how much of this is of any interest to Native Americans and how much of it is driven by non-Native Americans who want to pat themselves on the back and bask in the glow of their own enlightenment and sensitivity.

low · 07-23-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Because it's a cool name.

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NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	their mascot was a red-faced cartoonish indian with a stupid-looking smile... i have no problem with this. it was clearly a characature(sp?) of stereotypes. I don't think the use of "indians" on its own should be a reason. I don't get mad at the 'fightin irish' stereotype of a drunk angry irishman, lol. I've also never faced beratement on a systemic level. that'll give you a unique perspective for sure. i think each context should be given it's own process. apply same logical reasoning, get reasonable and consistent results. for example, the cmu chippewas (spelling). The school approached the tribe at some point (late 1980s?). The tribe said it was fine but change a few things. If i recall they didn't approve of the indian face on the helmets, so they changed it to some javelins or whatever they are, it doesn't matter. The point is, you make sure the culture you are are appropriating and making money in some way while using it isn't offended... it's pretty low effort stuff about whimsical things... let's be honest.. it's not that hard to be courteous and slightly sophisticated about it. the indians mascot clearly wasn't in reverance of anything. cmu wanted to use the symbol in a respectful manner in which all parties were content. This is not a black and white issue. in the end this is really small potatoes in the grand scheme, regardless. so, default to being less rude and exclusive being safer path for not looking silly from a historical point of view.

07-23-2021, 07:20 PM	#54
Hrbek14 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 54	Huge missed opportunity. The Spiders is a fantastic name with local history and their gear would have been popular among people who aren't fans of the team or even baseball. Nobody outside Cleveland will be buying Guardians gear.

07-23-2021, 08:57 PM	#59
Scipio Africanus Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 374	I always wonder how much of this is of any interest to Native Americans and how much of it is driven by non-Native Americans who want to pat themselves on the back and bask in the glow of their own enlightenment and sensitivity.