Unbasebally plays

[rdale]

Bottom of the 11th… No outs… Winning run on first… Batter hits a double and the outfielder tries to get the batter out while he stretches for third instead of throwing home.

Top of the 8th… Angels down 14-6. First and second with two out - batter singles, lead runner gets thrown out at home.

Top of the 8th… Yankees down 2. Runner on first gets thrown out trying to get to third on a single to centerfield.


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[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by rdale

Bottom of the 11th… No outs… Winning run on first… Batter hits a double and the outfielder tries to get the batter out while he stretches for third instead of throwing home.

Top of the 8th… Angels down 14-6. First and second with two out - batter singles, lead runner gets thrown out at home.

Top of the 8th… Yankees down 2. Runner on first gets thrown out trying to get to third on a single to centerfield.


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I think I've seen all those plays happen just watching 3 games from yesterday. Players lose track of outs all the time. I've seen outfielders throw the ball into the stands when his catch was 2nd out with runners on base. Just saying if you watch enough baseball you will see those plays happen

But reasonably speaking you are trying to get Artificial Intelligence to think like a human especially in a split second decision where so many options are there...not gonna happen 100% of the time

[rdale]

Ehh - I’m sure it happens now and then in the real world, but not to this level. I played 6 games today, and in 2 of them someone was thrown out at home when the team was down by at least 4 runs. That’s just not realistic. Those players would be benched

[mattb_222]

It will blow your mind

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by rdale

Ehh - I’m sure it happens now and then in the real world, but not to this level. I played 6 games today, and in 2 of them someone was thrown out at home when the team was down by at least 4 runs. That’s just not realistic. Those players would be benched

Should the Braves bench Acuna for trying to stretch a double into a triple down 2 in the 9th on Wednesday?

[rdale]

Originally Posted by mattb_222

It will blow your mind

That was phenomenal! It has nothing to do with the error in the game, but it was a great play…

[rdale]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Should the Braves bench Acuna for trying to stretch a double into a triple down 2 in the 9th on Wednesday?

I’m sure he was talked to - he’s young and at that age is still learning the ropes.

But that doesn’t address the bug in this game. I saw a new release today but no mention of fixing it, and earlier today the Yankees were down 7 in the 8th and Reggie Jackson got thrown out trying to tag up and score.

If there’s a better way to track down the problem with the release - let me know and I’ll be happy to help! Obviously this doesn’t ruin the game entirely, but it is a massive realism issue that we wouldn’t expect.

[Matt Arnold]

We don't fix every issue immediately. Especially cases like this - you can't never have players go for an extra base when the team is down, as that would lead to things being too patient. It all comes down to how "Safe" they think they will be before they try. Whether it's only going at 90% chance, or 95%, or 99%, always depends on the case and situation. It's also possible that the overall advancement rates are correct, but you get unlucky with a few of them happening in short order in a few games you play out. With how many people play the game, you're bound to get someone who gets unlucky and has 3 guys throw out at home in the same inning or some other completely random scenario that seems impossible but is only exceedingly unlikely.

[rdale]

Oh I know players to try for the extra bases. But no third base coach keeps his job if he gets runners thrown out at home multiple times when down a lot of runs. It’s one thing to get thrown out at home when down 2 - another when down 8

I’ll keep a closer eye on exact situations.


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[alkeiper]

I’ve seen this occur more than once in MLB Manager where not the tying run gets thrown out trying for an extra base in the ninth. The runner would almost never try for the base if it wasn’t assured, and the defense would not make a special effort to throw out the advancing runner.

[treesham]

i feel like these are the most basebally plays ever called unbasebally plays.

[snarls200]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

I think I've seen all those plays happen just watching 3 games from yesterday. Players lose track of outs all the time. I've seen outfielders throw the ball into the stands when his catch was 2nd out with runners on base. Just saying if you watch enough baseball you will see those plays happen

But reasonably speaking you are trying to get Artificial Intelligence to think like a human especially in a split second decision where so many options are there...not gonna happen 100% of the time

I remember Larry Walker doing that.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by treesham

i feel like these are the most basebally plays ever called unbasebally plays.

I’m not understanding your sarcasm… How is it a ‘basebally play’ in a tie game to try to throw the batter out stretching a triple instead of trying to throw out the winning run at the plate?

How is it ‘basebally’ to get yourself thrown out at third when down 8?

I get it if you don’t understand baseball - but these are the literal definitions of “not basebally”


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[treesham]

Originally Posted by rdale

I’m not understanding your sarcasm… How is it a ‘basebally play’ in a tie game to try to throw the batter out stretching a triple instead of trying to throw out the winning run at the plate?

How is it ‘basebally’ to get yourself thrown out at third when down 8?

I get it if you don’t understand baseball - but these are the literal definitions of “not basebally”


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because these things happen. baseball is in part, awesome, because of the randomosity and human side of it.

i get it if you don't understand baseball.

[Edster007]

The first play we can make the assumption that there would be no play at the plate. Should the game either make no throw and walk off or have the OF throw home, yes.

The other two happen. Not knowing the speed of the runners, the arm of the OF I have no problem with it. Sometimes you challenge because it is going to take a perfect transfer from glove to hand and throw (maybe two throws if a cut off man is involved) to get the runner. That is baseball and all sports. Decisions are open to a second guess and debate when they don’t go your way. Green light a hitter on 3-0 and hits a home run its great. Do it next time and he swings at ball four and pops out second base and you shake your head. Thats the game imo.


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[alkeiper]

I will say that having played a few dozen games now, I have not since this issue come up in GO the way it did in MLB Manager.

[rdale]

Good to hear that it’s better than before… Tonight, the Yankees were down 2 in the bottom of the 9th with a runner on first and 2 outs. Batter hits a double, so options were:

1) Runner tries to score, successfully scores, and still down one with tying run on second.
2) Runner stays at third, two outs with tying run on second.
3) Runner tries to score, gets thrown out, game over.

Obviously the basebally play is choice 2.

That didn’t happen


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[alkeiper]

Option 1 is fine too. The problem is when Evelyn throws home WHEN WE'VE GOT A TWO RUN LEAD!

[rdale]

Except you can’t guarantee option 1 - and if you fail, then you lose. So that’s not very basebally.

Here’s one from today:



Not very basebally.


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[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by rdale

Except you can’t guarantee option 1 - and if you fail, then you lose. So that’s not very basebally.

Here’s one from today:



Not very basebally.


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Should players never try to tag and score on balls hit to deep CF?

Granted, in real life, I assume 99% of CF would simply not try to throw home and just let the runner score. There's probably some things we could do there, and on some of the other cases. But there's always challenges in having too many cases which turn into "runner is safe or runner doesn't go". Have to be very careful the game doesn't turn into a station to station game with people being too passive.