After a few months, what have you learned about the new coaching system?

Zooerp · 06-14-2021, 12:15 PM

I know many people were upset with a lack of concrete information around the impact of different coaching attributes, but I've enjoyed trying to sift through that fog. Hiring coaches for real organizations is certainly an inexact science as well.

Does anyone have any conclusions they've arrived at anecdotally in terms of coach hiring strategies?

Pdubya64 · 06-14-2021, 12:38 PM

While I kind of like the system and needing as GM to improve my Personnel so that my players and team improves, I can't really say much in conclusion about the coaching system because so far, I cannot draw connections between my actions in hiring and firing and how the team reacts other than anecdotally.
I THINK it makes a difference. I just can't prove it. Kinda fun though.

brotherblues · 06-14-2021, 01:08 PM

I turned it all off. I don't want to throw more muddled stuff under the hood of the game engine that affects player development and performance.

May try it for a few seasons if people are enjoying it.

spike1717 · 06-15-2021, 12:36 PM

I play out my games. I've noticed that players play well if they like the coaching staff they perform well and they play like caca if they don't.

bigsmooth · 06-15-2021, 12:40 PM

I don't honestly see much difference in the coaching system. I set up and play a fictional league - and every time a manager is fired, they seem to bring a manager at the MLB level that is unproven --- not sure why that always happens - to me they would pick from within the organization, hire a successful bench coach, or hire outside the organization with an experienced coach in the minors. Any advise on how to not let UNPROVEN managers be brought to the ML level?

venflaalachi · 06-15-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsmooth

I don't honestly see much difference in the coaching system. I set up and play a fictional league - and every time a manager is fired, they seem to bring a manager at the MLB level that is unproven --- not sure why that always happens - to me they would pick from within the organization, hire a successful bench coach, or hire outside the organization with an experienced coach in the minors. Any advise on how to not let UNPROVEN managers be brought to the ML level?

Noticed something similar, but not at the same frequency as you indicate. That doesn't bother me as much. I also see plenty of former base coaches, bench coaches, and MIL managers eventually get their dugout throne in the big leagues.

brotherblues · 06-15-2021, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsmooth

every time a manager is fired, they seem to bring a manager at the MLB level that is unproven --- not sure why that always happens - to me they would pick from within the organization, hire a successful bench coach, or hire outside the organization with an experienced coach in the minors.

A successful bench coach would still be an unproven manager. Most managerial hires are either unproven or proven mediocrity. There aren't exactly a ton of unemployed managers with multiple WS rings looking for work.

JerseyPirate · 06-15-2021, 10:26 PM

I'm about 25 seasons into my first save with 22 and I like the new coaching system. I definitely went through some growing pains the first decade not really understanding what coaches to keep or let go and who to hire but now I've got my system down pat. For a manager, I focus on guys that have high development ratings first, then look at other attributes after that. For PC and HC, they have to be great or above at teaching pitching or hitting minimum.

I tend to promote from within and have slowly let go of all of the guys that only decent or worse at their attributes. I spend more money for my low minor league coaches so I can hire great coaches that are unproven.

The only thing that isn't realistic about the ratings is that how do you know someone is legendary at teaching hitting if they've never had a job in baseball?

This past offseason I had 7 openings in my bottom 3 rookie and DSL teams and filled them all by paying 3 times the amount they would normally be paid for that level but got all excellent or above coaches.

It adds another layer to a great game.

Dave Stieb II · 06-16-2021, 09:18 AM

My question is: do the coaches and their ability levels evolve (grow/decline) year to year or are they just stagnant as they used to be in prior versions.
I don't sim, play all the games out and have just been tinkering with different teams in the standard game.
Soon I will start a 'keeper' save or two and this would be good to know.

JerseyPirate · 06-16-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

My question is: do the coaches and their ability levels evolve (grow/decline) year to year or are they just stagnant as they used to be in prior versions.
I don't sim, play all the games out and have just been tinkering with different teams in the standard game.
Soon I will start a 'keeper' save or two and this would be good to know.

The only change I notice is in reputation. I've had guys become legendary reputation but only be "good" in their roles. Meanwhile, I try to hire unproven coaches who are "excellent" or above in their role and then their reputation improves over time.

Another new addition is it shows after time that they ask for a promotion. I've also lost 2 Asst GM's and a minor league manager to other teams who hired them away with promotions. Definitely more realistic than 21.

brotherblues · 06-17-2021, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

now I've got my system down pat. For a manager, I focus on guys that have high development ratings first, then look at other attributes after that. For PC and HC, they have to be great or above at teaching pitching or hitting minimum.

This is the drawback for me. If you put any effort into it, your minors coaching and player development will be leaps and bounds above the rest of the league. It's also just a simple and boring process.

wallewalls · 06-17-2021, 10:06 AM

I like that the AI now has the ability to hire your coaches away, but for the most part, the game is pretty much still "hire the coaches with the best ratings".

Pdubya64 · 06-17-2021, 04:30 PM

I will say that I have spent enough time with the Coaching System to know for sure that a change/addition I really want is:

When I am looking to fill a particular role at a particular level of the organization (especially Rookie Leagues) I want to be able to filter by Coaches who are willing to take the position!

Otherwise I spend an inordinate amount of time filtering through Coaches that meet my criteria and then offering one by one by one by one... you get the idea. Seems the vast majority of even the bottom of the experience ranks are very hard to sign- they usually reject it out of hand. The other thing that affects it is that at times, a middle-of-the-road experience/aged Coach WILL accept a Rookie ball position, which is both great and frustrating when you can't drill down to Coaches who are somewhat interested based on your offer.

hfield007 · 06-17-2021, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zooerp

I know many people were upset with a lack of concrete information around the impact of different coaching attributes, but I've enjoyed trying to sift through that fog. Hiring coaches for real organizations is certainly an inexact science as well.

Does anyone have any conclusions they've arrived at anecdotally in terms of coach hiring strategies?

hmm i havent noticed much of this. i see a lot of former managers of big league teams get new manager spots after they get fired from one team. i also see bench coaches move on to managing. it isn't unheard of though for someone without any coaching experience to get a manager's job in MLB. Maybe it does happen in the game more than real life, i haven't noticed.

I think the bigger thing i notice is always the lack of former name players becoming managers.

it isn't extremely common but in 13 years of playing long term fictionals I can't think of any players who were even non all-stars but played awhile in the bigs becoming managers of any of the teams in my leagues.

brotherblues · 06-18-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdubya64

When I am looking to fill a particular role at a particular level of the organization (especially Rookie Leagues) I want to be able to filter by Coaches who are willing to take the position!

It'd be nice, though I can't see justifying that feature in a sim based on real life. Same as with free agent players, you will be able to sign some and not others for various reasons. The only thing to do is identify who you want and reach out to them individually.

Matt Arnold · 06-18-2021, 01:01 PM

If you have an opening, and go to the available coaches page, if you specify the available position in the upper dropdown, that should filter by only coaches who are willing to accept that position.

Now, I don't think that filter system works when searching for coaches from other teams, so that you would still have to handle manually checking. But it should work for FA coaches.

06-14-2021, 12:15 PM	#1
Zooerp Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 39	After a few months, what have you learned about the new coaching system? I know many people were upset with a lack of concrete information around the impact of different coaching attributes, but I've enjoyed trying to sift through that fog. Hiring coaches for real organizations is certainly an inexact science as well. Does anyone have any conclusions they've arrived at anecdotally in terms of coach hiring strategies?

06-14-2021, 12:38 PM	#2
Pdubya64 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 496	While I kind of like the system and needing as GM to improve my Personnel so that my players and team improves, I can't really say much in conclusion about the coaching system because so far, I cannot draw connections between my actions in hiring and firing and how the team reacts other than anecdotally. I THINK it makes a difference. I just can't prove it. Kinda fun though. __________________ "Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes." - Roy Batty Blade Runner

06-17-2021, 04:30 PM	#13
Pdubya64 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 496	I will say that I have spent enough time with the Coaching System to know for sure that a change/addition I really want is: When I am looking to fill a particular role at a particular level of the organization (especially Rookie Leagues) I want to be able to filter by Coaches who are willing to take the position! Otherwise I spend an inordinate amount of time filtering through Coaches that meet my criteria and then offering one by one by one by one... you get the idea. Seems the vast majority of even the bottom of the experience ranks are very hard to sign- they usually reject it out of hand. The other thing that affects it is that at times, a middle-of-the-road experience/aged Coach WILL accept a Rookie ball position, which is both great and frustrating when you can't drill down to Coaches who are somewhat interested based on your offer. __________________ "Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes." - Roy Batty Blade Runner

06-14-2021, 01:08 PM	#3
brotherblues All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 658	I turned it all off. I don't want to throw more muddled stuff under the hood of the game engine that affects player development and performance. May try it for a few seasons if people are enjoying it.

06-15-2021, 12:36 PM	#4
spike1717 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 25	I play out my games. I've noticed that players play well if they like the coaching staff they perform well and they play like caca if they don't.

06-15-2021, 12:40 PM	#5
bigsmooth Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 437	I don't honestly see much difference in the coaching system. I set up and play a fictional league - and every time a manager is fired, they seem to bring a manager at the MLB level that is unproven --- not sure why that always happens - to me they would pick from within the organization, hire a successful bench coach, or hire outside the organization with an experienced coach in the minors. Any advise on how to not let UNPROVEN managers be brought to the ML level?

06-15-2021, 10:26 PM	#8
JerseyPirate Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 172	I'm about 25 seasons into my first save with 22 and I like the new coaching system. I definitely went through some growing pains the first decade not really understanding what coaches to keep or let go and who to hire but now I've got my system down pat. For a manager, I focus on guys that have high development ratings first, then look at other attributes after that. For PC and HC, they have to be great or above at teaching pitching or hitting minimum. I tend to promote from within and have slowly let go of all of the guys that only decent or worse at their attributes. I spend more money for my low minor league coaches so I can hire great coaches that are unproven. The only thing that isn't realistic about the ratings is that how do you know someone is legendary at teaching hitting if they've never had a job in baseball? This past offseason I had 7 openings in my bottom 3 rookie and DSL teams and filled them all by paying 3 times the amount they would normally be paid for that level but got all excellent or above coaches. It adds another layer to a great game.

06-16-2021, 09:18 AM	#9
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 661	My question is: do the coaches and their ability levels evolve (grow/decline) year to year or are they just stagnant as they used to be in prior versions. I don't sim, play all the games out and have just been tinkering with different teams in the standard game. Soon I will start a 'keeper' save or two and this would be good to know.

06-17-2021, 10:06 AM	#12
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I like that the AI now has the ability to hire your coaches away, but for the most part, the game is pretty much still "hire the coaches with the best ratings".

06-18-2021, 01:01 PM	#16
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,243	If you have an opening, and go to the available coaches page, if you specify the available position in the upper dropdown, that should filter by only coaches who are willing to accept that position. Now, I don't think that filter system works when searching for coaches from other teams, so that you would still have to handle manually checking. But it should work for FA coaches.