PCHA Historical issues

Castleview · 05-06-2021, 10:39 AM

Started an historic game in 1917 PCHA as the Portland Rosebuds.

Historical Editing On, and Draft/17 option On. Initial rosters as per historical (i.e not populated by initial draft).
All Manager team/league options are on, except 'teams cease to exist when they did historically' which is off.

Immediately added an expansion team (the 1967 Oakland Seals) , with expansion draft scheduled for 20th July.

All appeared normal but then had the following issues:

1) News Items for Oakland refer to the team as the Surrey Barnstormers, though all team, draft and schedule details show them as Oakland.

2) On 1st July messages are generated with the 1917 PCHA and NHL Amateur draft order, both scheduled for 3rd July, but
no draft events are generated and the drafts don't happen in either league.

3) Between 1st and 19th July I am able to sign all the top available free agents, Oakland sign a few players, but Vancouver and
Seattle don't sign anyone (no transactions whatsoever).

4) On 19th July have to submit my Protected list for the expansion draft, but the list of players is blank. Can't proceed any further as
game insists on a list being submitted (only Action listed is 'Ask Assistant').

I've sent the file as '1917 Portland - Oakland.lg.rar'.

Edit : I figured out expansion protection issue. It was because I had 2 year experience option set. Although that raises question why some experience prior to 1917
doesn't count....

JeffR · 05-07-2021, 04:25 AM

The initial news is generated with the randomly-generated name initially created for an expansion team; I'll see if that can be avoided if the Add Hist Team option is used.

There's no draft at the start of the first season in historical, the first one will be in July of the following year (so, in years where there actually was a draft, i.e. post-1962, players will begin on the rosters of the teams that selected them that year. Maybe we need an option to do it the other way if desired.)

I think it may be looking at NHL experience for the experience requirement in the expansion draft, we should change that to be league-specific.

Castleview · 05-07-2021, 05:18 AM

I started a fresh game with the expansion draft corrected.

1) On July 1st 1917, the amateur draft messages give order for 1917 drafts, but with date set to July 3rd 1916. No 1917 drafts occur.
The teams have 1917 draft picks however.

2) The 18 game PCHA schedule generated runs in October-November 1917 (was actually December-March), but the trade deadline is still scheduled
for January 31st 1918. I realise I could have edited this at start of season, but it might be better if it is set to a sensible date
when schedule is generated.

3) The NHL Season runs from December-February, the Stanley Cup event is scheduled for 30th March 1918, but despite both leagues
completing normally, no Stanley Cup finals takes place in 1918.

I rolled forward into 1918/19 season and had another expansion draft with the Victoria Aristocrats who were a new team.
The 1918 amateur drafts are scheduled for 3rd July 1918 and work fine, the draft messages now have correct date, and picks appear correct.

5) No trades can be made (or players shopped/ put on TB) , there is no 1918/19 trade deadline scheduled for PCHA, but there is for NHL.
Season is again scheduled October-November 1918 (was actually January-March 1919).
The Stanley Cup is now scheduled for December 2nd 2019 (was played/abandoned in March). Not sure how that will impact
1919-20 schedule?

I've sent this as '1917 Portland - Oakland Part 2.lg.rar'.

Castleview · 05-07-2021, 05:38 AM

One additional thing, despite PCHA season ending in November 1917, I received a string of injured and recovered player messages all the way up to June 1918.

Mark L · 05-07-2021, 11:46 AM

I've noticed that about early seasons. Injuries occur October to June (like a modern season) every though the Stanley Cup is awarded in March. The game acts like the teams are still playing regarding injuries. I know players can get injured in the off-season, but who cares about a rash of day to day injuries 2 months after the season has ended?

JeffR · 05-08-2021, 02:59 PM

I'm not sure why the Stanley Cup isn't being scheduled, we'll have to take a closer look at the save.

The trading deadline appears to be an issue with the internal date being set a year too early. If you change the trading deadline for the PCHA (by editing it on July 1) to a date between the start of the season and December 31, trading should function normally again.

There is no draft in 1917-18, that's intended, as I mentioned earlier. The first draft occurs in July 1918.

Castleview · 05-09-2021, 02:17 AM

Yes, I edited the trade deadline to late October and all worked fine, and it then scheduled it correctly the following season also. It keeps scheduling the Stanley Cup for December of the following season though, so it never gets played.

JeffR · 05-10-2021, 12:48 PM

We were able to fix the Stanley Cup problem in the save - send me an email at jeff@ootpdevelopments.com if you'd like an edited version of the save where the cup will happen properly during the NHL-western final years, and I'll share it with you on dropbox.

Castleview · 05-12-2021, 02:54 AM

Don't worry about the save.

I did notice another minor glitch in that game though. In the team history page , the leaderboard stats for the Victoria Aristocrats are not updating.

They were a 'new' team in 1918-19 , but they have pre-1917 history also, so may be related to that. The player and alumni lists look normal.

05-06-2021, 10:39 AM	#1
Castleview All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland Posts: 945	PCHA Historical issues Started an historic game in 1917 PCHA as the Portland Rosebuds. Historical Editing On, and Draft/17 option On. Initial rosters as per historical (i.e not populated by initial draft). All Manager team/league options are on, except 'teams cease to exist when they did historically' which is off. Immediately added an expansion team (the 1967 Oakland Seals) , with expansion draft scheduled for 20th July. All appeared normal but then had the following issues: 1) News Items for Oakland refer to the team as the Surrey Barnstormers, though all team, draft and schedule details show them as Oakland. 2) On 1st July messages are generated with the 1917 PCHA and NHL Amateur draft order, both scheduled for 3rd July, but no draft events are generated and the drafts don't happen in either league. 3) Between 1st and 19th July I am able to sign all the top available free agents, Oakland sign a few players, but Vancouver and Seattle don't sign anyone (no transactions whatsoever). 4) On 19th July have to submit my Protected list for the expansion draft, but the list of players is blank. Can't proceed any further as game insists on a list being submitted (only Action listed is 'Ask Assistant'). I've sent the file as '1917 Portland - Oakland.lg.rar'. Edit : I figured out expansion protection issue. It was because I had 2 year experience option set. Although that raises question why some experience prior to 1917 doesn't count.... Last edited by Castleview; 05-06-2021 at 11:51 AM. Reason: 4

05-07-2021, 05:18 AM	#3
Castleview All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland Posts: 945	I started a fresh game with the expansion draft corrected. 1) On July 1st 1917, the amateur draft messages give order for 1917 drafts, but with date set to July 3rd 1916. No 1917 drafts occur. The teams have 1917 draft picks however. 2) The 18 game PCHA schedule generated runs in October-November 1917 (was actually December-March), but the trade deadline is still scheduled for January 31st 1918. I realise I could have edited this at start of season, but it might be better if it is set to a sensible date when schedule is generated. 3) The NHL Season runs from December-February, the Stanley Cup event is scheduled for 30th March 1918, but despite both leagues completing normally, no Stanley Cup finals takes place in 1918. I rolled forward into 1918/19 season and had another expansion draft with the Victoria Aristocrats who were a new team. The 1918 amateur drafts are scheduled for 3rd July 1918 and work fine, the draft messages now have correct date, and picks appear correct. 5) No trades can be made (or players shopped/ put on TB) , there is no 1918/19 trade deadline scheduled for PCHA, but there is for NHL. Season is again scheduled October-November 1918 (was actually January-March 1919). The Stanley Cup is now scheduled for December 2nd 2019 (was played/abandoned in March). Not sure how that will impact 1919-20 schedule? I've sent this as '1917 Portland - Oakland Part 2.lg.rar'. Last edited by Castleview; 05-07-2021 at 05:45 AM.

05-07-2021, 04:25 AM	#2
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,434	The initial news is generated with the randomly-generated name initially created for an expansion team; I'll see if that can be avoided if the Add Hist Team option is used. There's no draft at the start of the first season in historical, the first one will be in July of the following year (so, in years where there actually was a draft, i.e. post-1962, players will begin on the rosters of the teams that selected them that year. Maybe we need an option to do it the other way if desired.) I think it may be looking at NHL experience for the experience requirement in the expansion draft, we should change that to be league-specific.

05-07-2021, 05:38 AM	#4
Castleview All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland Posts: 945	One additional thing, despite PCHA season ending in November 1917, I received a string of injured and recovered player messages all the way up to June 1918.

05-07-2021, 11:46 AM	#5
Mark L Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 62	I've noticed that about early seasons. Injuries occur October to June (like a modern season) every though the Stanley Cup is awarded in March. The game acts like the teams are still playing regarding injuries. I know players can get injured in the off-season, but who cares about a rash of day to day injuries 2 months after the season has ended?

05-08-2021, 02:59 PM	#6
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,434	I'm not sure why the Stanley Cup isn't being scheduled, we'll have to take a closer look at the save. The trading deadline appears to be an issue with the internal date being set a year too early. If you change the trading deadline for the PCHA (by editing it on July 1) to a date between the start of the season and December 31, trading should function normally again. There is no draft in 1917-18, that's intended, as I mentioned earlier. The first draft occurs in July 1918.

05-09-2021, 02:17 AM	#7
Castleview All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland Posts: 945	Yes, I edited the trade deadline to late October and all worked fine, and it then scheduled it correctly the following season also. It keeps scheduling the Stanley Cup for December of the following season though, so it never gets played.

05-10-2021, 12:48 PM	#8
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,434	We were able to fix the Stanley Cup problem in the save - send me an email at jeff@ootpdevelopments.com if you'd like an edited version of the save where the cup will happen properly during the NHL-western final years, and I'll share it with you on dropbox.

05-12-2021, 02:54 AM	#9
Castleview All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland Posts: 945	Don't worry about the save. I did notice another minor glitch in that game though. In the team history page , the leaderboard stats for the Victoria Aristocrats are not updating. They were a 'new' team in 1918-19 , but they have pre-1917 history also, so may be related to that. The player and alumni lists look normal.