Has to be error in ratings

[Bunktown Ballers]

I like looking through the risers and losers every rating cycle. There is one card that has to be and error because his name is very similar to another pitcher of same last name But Tyler Rogers cards was an 82 coming into this update and has pitched lights out since beginning of season see stats attached and he lost 6 points dropping his card to 76. He has pitched to a 1.23 ERA & a 0.889 Whip and he loses 6 points...It's a card I and many have but have yet to even use it yet, but -6 points


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Carlos Rodon pitches to a 0.47 ERA & 0.68 WHIP and he gains 1 point whereas Plesac whom Rodon no-hit pitches to a 6.35 ERA & 1.38 Whip and he gains 1 point..I don't understand the ratings.


Yeah go ahead and holla at me

[Cheesehead1964]

Surprised Shane Bieber didn't move up to 100

[Lukas Berger]

Rogers has only K'd 5.5 per 9 this year, which is way down from both last year and his projections. His walk rate and HR's allowed are no better than expected.

So his stuff takes a pretty big hit from that while his movement and control stay neutral. Thus, his ratings drop.

ERA and WHIP are both heavily fielding dependent and so play no part in the ratings, so what a pitcher has there is irrelevant.

The only stats that really matter for pitchers are strikeouts, walks, HR's allowed, IP and GS/Relief Appearances (to determine stamina and if a player is listed as an SP or RP).

[wutinthehail]

His FIP is 3.78 and his xFIP is 4.07 so it appears he has been somewhat lucky and/or been the recipient of very good fielding. Regression may be coming his way unless he gets his strikeout rate to expectations.

[IanIachimoe]

Originally Posted by Cheesehead1964

Surprised Shane Bieber didn't move up to 100

you & me both

[dkgo]

3 years and people are still citing ERA as if it has any relevance to the ootp ratings engine.

There are definitely quirks in the live player movement, but at least bring up the stats used to create the ratings.

[Matt Arnold]

Bieber was close, but I'm guessing the 2-HR game over the weekend hurt him enough to keep him below the perfect cutoff.

[Drivehud.com]

Originally Posted by dkgo

3 years and people are still citing ERA as if it has any relevance to the ootp ratings engine.

There are definitely quirks in the live player movement, but at least bring up the stats used to create the ratings.

Any clue what these are? Have the devs ever cited anything? I'm assuming not, since playing a game of incomplete information can keep up guessing forever.

It's only 2 spots, but I'm trying to figure out how Bauer drops since initial ranking of 96.

Is it because of his 0.66 WHIP? His 12.7 K/9? His .9 WAR? His OBA of .135? His K/BB of 7.5?

Those are all sick numbers, but his rating drops. Makes zero sense to me.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

Any clue what these are? Have the devs ever cited anything? I'm assuming not, since playing a game of incomplete information can keep up guessing forever.

It's only 2 spots, but I'm trying to figure out how Bauer drops since initial ranking of 96.

Is it because of his 0.66 WHIP? His 12.7 K/9? His .9 WAR? His OBA of .135? His K/BB of 7.5?

Those are all sick numbers, but his rating drops. Makes zero sense to me.

The devs literally answered some of these questions already in this very thread.

WHIP doesn't matter because hits are allowed by fielders, not the pitcher.

Bauer dropped because he is giving up too many homers.

[Drivehud.com]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

The devs literally answered some of these questions already in this very thread.

WHIP doesn't matter because hits are allowed by fielders, not the pitcher.

Bauer dropped because he is giving up too many homers.

I read the thread and missed that post. ty.

Well, it's just a game basically so I'm not expecting it to be super accurate.

He's given up 6 solo shots, so ok... I've assumed movement is related to HR rate. And it doesn't matter that he's second in the league in K's and has only given up 6 walks. The number of homeruns is the problem.

Makes sense, and don't think it's the best way to measure these things, but it's a game.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

He's given up 6 solo shots, so ok... I've assumed movement is related to HR rate.

That's correct. And the number of runners on base is irrelevant, just the rate of homers allowed.

Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

And it doesn't matter that he's second in the league in K's and has only given up 6 walks. The number of homeruns is the problem.

Surely those strikeouts & walk rates do matter, they help him from dropping even lower. But he is only beating his projections in those stats by a modest amount. For homers, he is giving up 1.7 per nine while only projected for 1.1, which is a significant increase.


The cards starting ratings are automated from ZiPS projections so looking at those, USUALLY things make sense. Not all the time but most.

[Clavette]

Why such a heavy focus on K/9?

[TrailGuideSteve]

Originally Posted by Clavette

Why such a heavy focus on K/9?

Pitcher ratings are just more focused on stats that are solely on the pitcher. K/9, BB/9, HR/9, FIP, etc...

[Drivehud.com]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

That's correct. And the number of runners on base is irrelevant, just the rate of homers allowed.


Surely those strikeouts & walk rates do matter, they help him from dropping even lower. But he is only beating his projections in those stats by a modest amount. For homers, he is giving up 1.7 per nine while only projected for 1.1, which is a significant increase.


The cards starting ratings are automated from ZiPS projections so looking at those, USUALLY things make sense. Not all the time but most.

I understand that it looks like the number of runners on base doesn't matter for this game. In real life pitching though, it's very relevant. When there's no traffic on the bases, pitchers pitch more aggressively in the zone, especially when pitching with leads. There's some pitchers that give up lots of HRs with runners on because their focus and skill isn't good in those spots, or they just suck from the stretch. There's also some pitchers that can give up lots of traffic on the bases, but know how to deliver put out pitches in key spots to avoid runs.

I'm glad they are focusing more on FIP than these other useless stats. But I of course wish they'd combine some more advanced stats together. It is what it is...

[ineedplayerpics]

stuff ratings are determined by the pitchers strikeout numbers in real life
Movement ratings are determined by the pitchers home runs allowed in real life
Control ratings are determined by the pitchers walks allowed in real life

[LoganGene]

I'm pretty sure, ERA and WHIP have a lot to do with the pitcher idk if you guys realize putting the ball in the right spot limits hits as well as runs regardless of defense. I feel like y'all just making stuff up at this point cause your ratings are so busted.

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by LoganGene

I'm pretty sure, ERA and WHIP have a lot to do with the pitcher idk if you guys realize putting the ball in the right spot limits hits as well as runs regardless of defense. I feel like y'all just making stuff up at this point cause your ratings are so busted.

Does your mother still tuck you in at night?

[LoganGene]

Nah but yours does

[LoganGene]

I've pitched my entire life from peewee through college and the stuff you guys are saying is just flat wrong, use ad hominem attacks all you want

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by LoganGene

I've pitched my entire life from peewee through college and the stuff you guys are saying is just flat wrong, use ad hominem attacks all you want

You would have to be a man for any attack to be ad hominem.