More movement from minor to majors

bosunmate · 04-12-2021, 08:01 AM

I have a league going where my assistants look after movement back and forth from minors to majors. I'm seeing the same players back and forth daily, it seems unreasonable to send players up and down so much anyone else seeing this.

Dorfmann · 04-12-2021, 08:25 AM

I'm not seeing it with my team, since I manage that part, but I'm definitely seeing it with the AI. My league's waiver wire usually has about 40 players on it, most of them the same guys that keep getting sent up and down.

bosunmate · 04-12-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorfmann

I'm not seeing it with my team, since I manage that part, but I'm definitely seeing it with the AI. My league's waiver wire usually has about 40 players on it, most of them the same guys that keep getting sent up and down.

This version is the first version where i let the computer control trades as it was really bad for trading future all-stars for has-beens,(historical) but they fixed that part but the movement back and forth with the same players is insane almost every game it really slows down the league when you sim some of your season and the players don't have time to unpack.

Dorfmann · 04-12-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

This version is the first version where i let the computer control trades as it was really bad for trading future all-stars for has-beens,(historical) but they fixed that part but the movement back and forth with the same players is insane almost every game it really slows down the league when you sim some of your season and the players don't have time to unpack.

It's definitely not ideal. The AI also seems to be really, really dumb about it. I have multiple teams that are DFA'ing talented young relievers with multiple options left over and over again. They'll let the guy pitch a game, DFA him, bring him back 3 days later, let him pitch, then DFA him again. Over and over again...

Lukas Berger · 04-12-2021, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorfmann

It's definitely not ideal. The AI also seems to be really, really dumb about it. I have multiple teams that are DFA'ing talented young relievers with multiple options left over and over again. They'll let the guy pitch a game, DFA him, bring him back 3 days later, let him pitch, then DFA him again. Over and over again...

If you're seeing this sort of thing happen a lot, it would be super helpful if we can get a copy of your league files as well as some specific examples of guys who this is happening with and for whom it doesn't make sense (i.e. young and talented with options, like you mention).

Dorfmann · 04-12-2021, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

If you're seeing this sort of thing happen a lot, it would be super helpful if we can get a copy of your league files as well as some specific examples of guys who this is happening with and for whom it doesn't make sense (i.e. young and talented with options, like you mention).

Alright, thanks. I'll work on that later. I'll post a bug report as well.

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SirSaab · 04-13-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorfmann

It's definitely not ideal. The AI also seems to be really, really dumb about it. I have multiple teams that are DFA'ing talented young relievers with multiple options left over and over again. They'll let the guy pitch a game, DFA him, bring him back 3 days later, let him pitch, then DFA him again. Over and over again...

I’m beginning to notice this and n my Live Start save, also. Many of the DFA’s make sense, but just as many do not. The Dodgers, for instance have DFA’d (and lost) both Vesia and Dennis Santana. Blake Treinen *could* make some sense as a DFA, but he’s like a rolling fixture on the list... almost like the Dodgers are using DFA as like, a reserve roster LOL.

I agree that it seems to be predominantly young to middle-age (say, 25-29) relievers who comprise my waiver wire, and there is often enough talent that by May or June, you could probably waiver together a pretty darn good bullpen.

Lukas Berger · 04-13-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

I’m beginning to notice this and n my Live Start save, also. Many of the DFA’s make sense, but just as many do not. The Dodgers, for instance have DFA’d (and lost) both Vesia and Dennis Santana. Blake Treinen *could* make some sense as a DFA, but he’s like a rolling fixture on the list... almost like the Dodgers are using DFA as like, a reserve roster LOL.

I agree that it seems to be predominantly young to middle-age (say, 25-29) relievers who comprise my waiver wire, and there is often enough talent that by May or June, you could probably waiver together a pretty darn good bullpen.

The Dodgers are kind of tough for the ai going forward because they are just so loaded. If they go ahead and sign a few more good guys, then in a year or so, they have a 40-man roster with like 20 pitchers that are 50-60 overalls, and something has got to give.

Vesia is not really a weird DFA option imo. I would bet you'll see him DFA'd a few times irl in reality going forward. You also want to consider that RP's are kind of graded on a different scale from other positions and that makes them look a bit better than they really are if you directly compare their overalls and potentials to other positions. Probably something for us to take a look at. But it's a hard thing to assign RP values in a way that makes sense to everyone, in that everyone views them a little differently.

SirSaab · 04-13-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

The Dodgers are kind of tough for the ai going forward because they are just so loaded. If they go ahead and sign a few more good guys, then in a year or so, they have a 40-man roster with like 20 pitchers that are 50-60 overalls, and something has got to give.

Vesia is not really a weird DFA option imo. I would bet you'll see him DFA'd a few times irl in reality going forward. You also want to consider that RP's are kind of graded on a different scale from other positions and that makes them look a bit better than they really are if you directly compare their overalls and potentials to other positions. Probably something for us to take a look at. But it's a hard thing to assign RP values in a way that makes sense to everyone, in that everyone views them a little differently.

I absolutely understand that, and agree that Vesia isn’t too strange. Santana is a bit weird to see on the wire though.

I just kind of view the Dodgers as a secondary, waiver-based feeder for us less fortunate teams at this point HAHA

04-12-2021, 08:01 AM	#1
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04-12-2021, 08:25 AM	#2
Dorfmann Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 144	I'm not seeing it with my team, since I manage that part, but I'm definitely seeing it with the AI. My league's waiver wire usually has about 40 players on it, most of them the same guys that keep getting sent up and down.