Pinch Running a DH becomes fiasco.

[Andy_Jay1987]

Before I begin, this may just be my lack of understanding of baseball knowledge....... but let's see so I can learn somehting.


So, maybe I'm not savvy enough on Baseball yet to understand this problem (only been into Baseball for about 5 years, and I follow an NL team so the DH rule to me is just "DH in the lineup") or this is some form of bug I should be reporting.


I brought in a pinch runner for my DH. That was fine, he showed up on 1st, ran bases etc. Next half inning he's replaced the next guy in the lineup defensively instead of staying in the DH spot. Is this normal? i.e. he went from 3 in the lineup at DH to 3 in the lineup at LF, my #4 in the lineup is the LF.



So, the game says I have an incomplete defensive lineup because I have no pitcher in the lineup. So in the substitutions screen I (probably foolishly) put a batter in thinking he'll be selectable as a DH, but no, he has to be pitcher, and because of the 3 batter minimum he has to pitch. Needless to say this ended very badly...... in game 4 of the world series....... which thanks to this batter having to pitch costs me the game and now the series is tied instead of me having a deserved 3-1 lead.



Is this the dreaded double switch? Surely the game should have warned me that it would happen. I dunno. Just a very annoying thing to have happened at the wrong time. I know for sure I've done this in The Show without consequence.


Like, I would understand if it classed him as the pitcher and I had to replace him the following half, but the fact that he went to LF without my knowledge is just beyond my understanding of the world.

[slugga27]

First, I mean everything I say with complete respect.

Second, it sounds like you may have accidentally switched the DH to left field, therefore removing the DH spot. (Side note: if the DH ever has to come in and play the field, you forfeit the DH for the remainder of the game.) This is literally the only thing I can think of, because I have pinch run for my DH before with no issue; that pinch runner then becomes the DH and everyone is happy.

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by slugga27

First, I mean everything I say with complete respect.

Second, it sounds like you may have accidentally switched the DH to left field, therefore removing the DH spot. (Side note: if the DH ever has to come in and play the field, you forfeit the DH for the remainder of the game.) This is literally the only thing I can think of, because I have pinch run for my DH before with no issue; that pinch runner then becomes the DH and everyone is happy.

this is the answer. The pinch-runner became the DH, then was moved to LF. So the DH, by rule, is gone. You needed to bring in a pitcher who would then bat the old LF's spot.

So you made a major mistake when you moved the DH to LF.

Sorry, but you, the manager, caused this to happen. It is not a bug in the game. This has been the rule for nearly half-a-century.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

It is not a bug in the game. This has been the rule for nearly half-a-century.

It's only been around since 1973....(doing the math) oh my gawd!

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

this is the answer. The pinch-runner became the DH, then was moved to LF. So the DH, by rule, is gone. You needed to bring in a pitcher who would then bat the old LF's spot.

So you made a major mistake when you moved the DH to LF.

Sorry, but you, the manager, caused this to happen. It is not a bug in the game. This has been the rule for nearly half-a-century.

I think the OP is indicating that he did not intentionally move him to LF.


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[BBGiovanni]

Don't feel bad, ML managers do this every year too. I remember Bruce Bochy doing it twice, and a few times on purpose.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by BBGiovanni

Don't feel bad, ML managers do this every year too. I remember Bruce Bochy doing it twice, and a few times on purpose.

Yeah, I've done something similar a couple of times myself. I just create a storyline in my head of the manager just screwing up.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by slugga27

I think the OP is indicating that he did not intentionally move him to LF.


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Originally Posted by Andy_Jay1987

I brought in a pinch runner for my DH. That was fine, he showed up on 1st, ran bases etc. Next half inning he's replaced the next guy in the lineup defensively instead of staying in the DH spot. Is this normal? i.e. he went from 3 in the lineup at DH to 3 in the lineup at LF, my #4 in the lineup is the LF.

I think there either was a error in the game which caused the DH to be removed not replaced by the PR which could be a bug or just a freak error Because if the OP manually changed the DH to LF the current LF would have been taken out of the lineup and replaced by the current pitcher in the #4 spot who was in the game.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by 24Rocks

based on this


I think there either was a error in the game which caused the DH to be removed not replaced by the PR which could be a bug or just a freak error Because if the OP manually changed the DH to LF the current LF would have been taken out of the lineup and replaced by the current pitcher in the #4 spot who was in the game.

Exactly. We need the OP to confirm that he did not make any changes at all prior to the next half inning.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by slugga27

Exactly. We need the OP to confirm that he did not make any changes at all prior to the next half inning.

Also Did you take any screenshots of this if so can you post them.

[Andy_Jay1987]

Hello again everybody, so after the mixed bag of responses I went digging around and found out what happened.

First things first tho, Leo, was there any need for that final sentence to be so abrupt? If you read the post, I've only been watching baseball for a short amount of time, and I watch an NL team, so I don't know if theres a rule for subbing the DH, so thanks again. Do let me know the name of your high horse, it's beautiful.

Basically what seems to have happened is that the guy at bat was thrown out of the game for arguing a strike. Something the game at the time did not tell me about, and in the highlights never refers to it. It's just sat there, the last thing on the box score page.

So yes, I missed something, and yes, perhaps I should have put a pitcher in that spot, but the game literally did not make any mention of the player being thrown out of the game and seeing as it was AL rules surely a DH should be a choice of position on the substitutions page.

Ah well, live and learn, moot point anyway, we lost Game 7 of the WS because I brought in a righty against to guys who "cant" hit righty...... walk, home run. Christ, my feelings.

Thanks again everybody.

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by Andy_Jay1987

First things first tho, Leo, was there any need for that final sentence to be so abrupt? If you read the post, I've only been watching baseball for a short amount of time, and I watch an NL team, so I don't know if theres a rule for subbing the DH, so thanks again. Do let me know the name of your high horse, it's beautiful.

My horse's name is Pegasus.

[Andy_Jay1987]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

My horse's name is Pegasus.

Cool story brah, try not to fall off on your way up the mount olympus of internet douchery.

[Jakeydude18]

Maybe if you post the box score and the game log of the innings in question someone will be able to pinpoint the exact thing that happened without needing to guess? Sadly, I dont know enough

[bwburke94]

I've come across this bug before, but it was years ago. I'll have to dig up the details.