Anyone else had odd demands from relievers?

AngelsFan14 · 04-03-2021, 06:31 PM

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to ask and see if anyone else had come across this. I was playing the beta (so it very well may have been fixed for all I know) and I had Josh Hader, and for one reason or another, Joe Maddon really wanted to use him as an opener. I was mostly simming to get used to stuff so I didn't pay too much mind to it. Once the season was over, Hader had somewhere near 30 "starts" and finished under 100 innings but had some great numbers. He was an FA at the end of the year so I wanted to re-sign him and saw his demands:

30 mil a year for 8 years with an opt out half way and two player options at the end......

What in the world? Lol

Anyone else had relievers demand contracts like this? I'm wondering if it's the "games started" thats affecting this and he thinks he's a starting pitcher? I don't think he was ever listed as a starter by the game since his stamina is too low. So I'm confused.

The AI also ended up giving him $25 mil a year IIRC. Because I wasn't about to.

pgjocki · 04-03-2021, 06:55 PM

That's interesting and no I haven't seen anything like that yet. I saw a few good relievers wait until after the next season (2022) had started before signing and a few guys made between $7-$11 million.

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TuckerDuckson · 04-03-2021, 07:02 PM

It's because he's starting. The game can't "properly" differentiate between opening starts, and regular starts.

For example, I have this guy in my current Orioles save who when he came up, he had 30 stamina (out of 80), but 3 S+ tier pitches, well after one season in the bullpen, his stamina went up to 35, which is enough to reasonably start, he started for like 5 years, however, on his last year on my team, his stamina went back down to 30, and he was only going like 3 innings a game instead of like 6, so I moved him back to the bullpen, and used him as an occasional opener.

Well, he made it to the open market and was requesting like 25 million over 5 years, despite having like 14 starts but a 1.08 ERA.

I went into my current save and checked the salaries for the relievers in my current league, there are a few that are paid 20+ million, (there are 4 actually) but they were all starters who used to be good, but flamed out of the rotation due to injury, regression etc and the AI can't cut them due to the finances. Basically, they're guys with 45+ stamina, and at least 3 good pitches. Out of the relievers who only have 2 pitches, and are classified as purely "relievers", the highest paid is actually my closer who is making 12.9 million, who routinely puts up sub 2.00 ERA, 40 save seasons.

The next two are two of my relievers who are making 12.5 and 11.4 million respectively, both of which grew in my system, I didn't sign them out of Free Agency, and both are top 5 guys in the league.

I think it's because he's starting, starts are usually considered more valuable to the AI, and maybe, their scout had a different view on his stamina rating, as I said in my example above. I think Hader starts with like 30? stamina, if he grows to 35, he can reasonably start, and the OSA and scouts have different opinions on stamina, so if the AI see's a guy like Hader who has started, had success, has the stamina to start, and he's got 3 S++ pitches, they'll give him the money, even if he ends up in the bullpen.

The top starter in my latest free agency cycle went for like 31 million, but he has like a sub 2.00 ERA every season, and has won the past 8 CY young's.

AngelsFan14 · 04-05-2021, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TuckerDuckson

It's because he's starting. The game can't "properly" differentiate between opening starts, and regular starts.

For example, I have this guy in my current Orioles save who when he came up, he had 30 stamina (out of 80), but 3 S+ tier pitches, well after one season in the bullpen, his stamina went up to 35, which is enough to reasonably start, he started for like 5 years, however, on his last year on my team, his stamina went back down to 30, and he was only going like 3 innings a game instead of like 6, so I moved him back to the bullpen, and used him as an occasional opener.

Well, he made it to the open market and was requesting like 25 million over 5 years, despite having like 14 starts but a 1.08 ERA.

I went into my current save and checked the salaries for the relievers in my current league, there are a few that are paid 20+ million, (there are 4 actually) but they were all starters who used to be good, but flamed out of the rotation due to injury, regression etc and the AI can't cut them due to the finances. Basically, they're guys with 45+ stamina, and at least 3 good pitches. Out of the relievers who only have 2 pitches, and are classified as purely "relievers", the highest paid is actually my closer who is making 12.9 million, who routinely puts up sub 2.00 ERA, 40 save seasons.

The next two are two of my relievers who are making 12.5 and 11.4 million respectively, both of which grew in my system, I didn't sign them out of Free Agency, and both are top 5 guys in the league.

I think it's because he's starting, starts are usually considered more valuable to the AI, and maybe, their scout had a different view on his stamina rating, as I said in my example above. I think Hader starts with like 30? stamina, if he grows to 35, he can reasonably start, and the OSA and scouts have different opinions on stamina, so if the AI see's a guy like Hader who has started, had success, has the stamina to start, and he's got 3 S++ pitches, they'll give him the money, even if he ends up in the bullpen.

The top starter in my latest free agency cycle went for like 31 million, but he has like a sub 2.00 ERA every season, and has won the past 8 CY young's.

I'm guessing it'll stay a problem until some part of the game tracks innings pitched per start (in this case, one) or if there's a stat introduced for openers and followers

wallewalls · 04-05-2021, 12:19 PM

If there is one thing, I think the reliever free agency demands are too low, at least for the best relievers in the game. In a world where top-of-the-line FA relievers are getting $15+ million a season, the top guys in OOTP may barely get $10.

I know there was an issue a few versions back where FA relievers had super-high demands and just settled for one-year contract after one-year contract, but I think this did get better in a later version. It seems now that too many higher-quality relievers get short-changed on the FA market. That is just one person's opinion, though.

04-03-2021, 06:31 PM	#1
AngelsFan14 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 13	Anyone else had odd demands from relievers? Hello everyone, I just wanted to ask and see if anyone else had come across this. I was playing the beta (so it very well may have been fixed for all I know) and I had Josh Hader, and for one reason or another, Joe Maddon really wanted to use him as an opener. I was mostly simming to get used to stuff so I didn't pay too much mind to it. Once the season was over, Hader had somewhere near 30 "starts" and finished under 100 innings but had some great numbers. He was an FA at the end of the year so I wanted to re-sign him and saw his demands: 30 mil a year for 8 years with an opt out half way and two player options at the end...... What in the world? Lol Anyone else had relievers demand contracts like this? I'm wondering if it's the "games started" thats affecting this and he thinks he's a starting pitcher? I don't think he was ever listed as a starter by the game since his stamina is too low. So I'm confused. The AI also ended up giving him $25 mil a year IIRC. Because I wasn't about to.

04-03-2021, 06:55 PM	#2
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	That's interesting and no I haven't seen anything like that yet. I saw a few good relievers wait until after the next season (2022) had started before signing and a few guys made between $7-$11 million. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

04-03-2021, 07:02 PM	#3
TuckerDuckson Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 447	It's because he's starting. The game can't "properly" differentiate between opening starts, and regular starts. For example, I have this guy in my current Orioles save who when he came up, he had 30 stamina (out of 80), but 3 S+ tier pitches, well after one season in the bullpen, his stamina went up to 35, which is enough to reasonably start, he started for like 5 years, however, on his last year on my team, his stamina went back down to 30, and he was only going like 3 innings a game instead of like 6, so I moved him back to the bullpen, and used him as an occasional opener. Well, he made it to the open market and was requesting like 25 million over 5 years, despite having like 14 starts but a 1.08 ERA. I went into my current save and checked the salaries for the relievers in my current league, there are a few that are paid 20+ million, (there are 4 actually) but they were all starters who used to be good, but flamed out of the rotation due to injury, regression etc and the AI can't cut them due to the finances. Basically, they're guys with 45+ stamina, and at least 3 good pitches. Out of the relievers who only have 2 pitches, and are classified as purely "relievers", the highest paid is actually my closer who is making 12.9 million, who routinely puts up sub 2.00 ERA, 40 save seasons. The next two are two of my relievers who are making 12.5 and 11.4 million respectively, both of which grew in my system, I didn't sign them out of Free Agency, and both are top 5 guys in the league. I think it's because he's starting, starts are usually considered more valuable to the AI, and maybe, their scout had a different view on his stamina rating, as I said in my example above. I think Hader starts with like 30? stamina, if he grows to 35, he can reasonably start, and the OSA and scouts have different opinions on stamina, so if the AI see's a guy like Hader who has started, had success, has the stamina to start, and he's got 3 S++ pitches, they'll give him the money, even if he ends up in the bullpen. The top starter in my latest free agency cycle went for like 31 million, but he has like a sub 2.00 ERA every season, and has won the past 8 CY young's. __________________ Plays legit baseball now. My OOTP ratings are low. 2022 update: I'm two stars!

04-05-2021, 12:19 PM	#5
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If there is one thing, I think the reliever free agency demands are too low, at least for the best relievers in the game. In a world where top-of-the-line FA relievers are getting $15+ million a season, the top guys in OOTP may barely get $10. I know there was an issue a few versions back where FA relievers had super-high demands and just settled for one-year contract after one-year contract, but I think this did get better in a later version. It seems now that too many higher-quality relievers get short-changed on the FA market. That is just one person's opinion, though.