OOTP Statistical Analysis Guide - Page 2

JeffersonJim · 03-23-2021, 09:03 AM

Thank you for all your hard work on this!

NotNotChriss · 03-24-2021, 05:44 AM

decided to get into baseball this season and play my first ootp,thanks for the info!

NotNotChriss · 03-24-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NotNotChriss

decided to get into baseball this season and play my first ootp,thanks for the info!

crazy amount of work here and well written and explained, looking forward to trying it out on release.

OneAutumnLeafFR · 03-25-2021, 10:43 AM

Hello, first of all congratulations.

Not for your amazing work but for making me spend most of my day installing python packages and modules...

Your work is awesome. I was able to parse new data and generate the final file but I don't succeed in successfully getting my hands on the PT card list for OOTP22.

I followed the instructions on the very first post but couldn't manage.

Is it linked to the new version or am I doing something wrong?

Thank you !

ncap99 · 03-25-2021, 02:27 PM

Not sure this is the proper place to post this, but has anyone been noticing that the walk rates seem to be absurdly high against any pitcher with under around 70 control? Speaking strictly about perfect draft, I stopped bothering to draft pitchers at all that don't have at least 70 as they were consistently getting blown up, even if they were 100+ in other things like STU/MOV. I've moved away from bothering with stuff all together and focused on MOV/CON and through the first 5-6 draft tournaments they seem to be performing better even with less high pick investment.

Not a lot of data points to go against here but could be more due to the vastly different player pool you'll see in perfect draft vs. a pre constructed tournament team. You can't put a punch of 80 contact hitters that play defense at every position unless you're really lucky for example, so a lot more of the "3 outcome" type guys that could be driving walk rate.

scipper · 03-25-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAutumnLeafFR

I was able to parse new data and generate the final file but I don't succeed in successfully getting my hands on the PT card list for OOTP22.

I followed the instructions on the very first post but couldn't manage.

Is it linked to the new version or am I doing something wrong?

As far as I know, while beta is still going on and card ratings aren't settled, it is not published. Once the game releases fully they may publish something.

Riabi · 03-27-2021, 11:52 PM

Ok, so, I've read through these posts several times now, and I'm not quite sure I fully understand how this works. My understanding at this point is that we pull all the data from the leagues we want (this part I get). And, then the idea is to clean and process that data by running several python scripts in the order listed? Is that about right? Or am I way off?

scipper · 03-29-2021, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Riabi

Ok, so, I've read through these posts several times now, and I'm not quite sure I fully understand how this works. My understanding at this point is that we pull all the data from the leagues we want (this part I get). And, then the idea is to clean and process that data by running several python scripts in the order listed? Is that about right? Or am I way off?

If you put the .html files in the "unparsed_data" folder, then once you run "python parse_new_data.py" it should parse the html files and move them to /data.

scipper · 04-02-2021, 12:14 AM

Another thing to look at that I haven't done is breakpoint detection. For the batting/pitching statistics, instead of treating the whole thing linearly you could try to do it piecewise, adding breakpoints in for each stats.

PsyMar · 04-18-2021, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OneAutumnLeafFR

Hello, first of all congratulations.

Not for your amazing work but for making me spend most of my day installing python packages and modules...

Your work is awesome. I was able to parse new data and generate the final file but I don't succeed in successfully getting my hands on the PT card list for OOTP22.

I followed the instructions on the very first post but couldn't manage.

Is it linked to the new version or am I doing something wrong?

Thank you !

The link goes to the card list for OOTP21, but these cards are *also* in OOTP 22, you have to concatenate the two card lists within the [] but separated by a comma. i.e. [[OOTP21card1],[OOTP21card2],...,[OOTP21lastcard],[OOTP22card1],[OOTP22card2],...,,[OOTP22lastcard]]

No, this isn't written anywhere but it's what worked for me.

Clavette · 04-18-2021, 07:52 AM

Is this basically the same for the single player mode of ootp as well?

jpeters1734 · 04-18-2021, 08:00 AM

Good stuff. I'm not at all interested in PT, but there's some good insight from your guide that can be applied in the base game. Thank you for sharing

PsyMar · 04-18-2021, 08:12 AM

Despite the image in the OP, you need Overall checked on the General tab of the filter, or the program will crash.

Also, on line 64 of generate_splits.py ["cid"] needs to be ["CID"]. I've submitted a pull request but in the meantime I'm putting this here so people can fix it themselves.

JibGuy · 04-18-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PsyMar

The link goes to the card list for OOTP21, but these cards are *also* in OOTP 22, you have to concatenate the two card lists within the [] but separated by a comma. i.e. [[OOTP21card1],[OOTP21card2],...,[OOTP21lastcard],[OOTP22card1],[OOTP22card2],...,,[OOTP22lastcard]]

No, this isn't written anywhere but it's what worked for me.

Why is it necessary to pull the OOTP21 cards? Is it because of the python scripts? I pull just OOTP22 only, but then I have my own SQL queries for doing the data.

PsyMar · 04-18-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JibGuy

Why is it necessary to pull the OOTP21 cards? Is it because of the python scripts? I pull just OOTP22 only, but then I have my own SQL queries for doing the data.

Either some cards are still int he OOTP21 list only, or perhaps I had some old data... I'll try again.

okay yeah it isn't actually necessary, I was using old data as a placeholder oops!

scipper · 04-19-2021, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Clavette

Is this basically the same for the single player mode of ootp as well?

Should be similar, but I haven't verified it.

scipper · 04-19-2021, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JibGuy

Why is it necessary to pull the OOTP21 cards? Is it because of the python scripts? I pull just OOTP22 only, but then I have my own SQL queries for doing the data.

You shouldn't need to - you should just need to import OOTP22 cards. I gave the 21 cards as an example of the format my code expects.

JibGuy · 04-19-2021, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scipper

You shouldn't need to - you should just need to import OOTP22 cards. I gave the 21 cards as an example of the format my code expects.

Agreed. Was just confused why psy said to download both. He posted a retraction when trying again.

Vanden · 04-20-2021, 10:18 PM

Wow, amazing info, thanks!

chiefilliniwek · 04-21-2021, 10:04 PM

you are a true gentleman and a baseball scholar.

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PsyMar Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 8	Despite the image in the OP, you need Overall checked on the General tab of the filter, or the program will crash. Also, on line 64 of generate_splits.py ["cid"] needs to be ["CID"]. I've submitted a pull request but in the meantime I'm putting this here so people can fix it themselves. Last edited by PsyMar; 04-18-2021 at 08:31 AM.

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03-25-2021, 10:43 AM	#24
OneAutumnLeafFR Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1	Hello, first of all congratulations. Not for your amazing work but for making me spend most of my day installing python packages and modules... Your work is awesome. I was able to parse new data and generate the final file but I don't succeed in successfully getting my hands on the PT card list for OOTP22. I followed the instructions on the very first post but couldn't manage. Is it linked to the new version or am I doing something wrong? Thank you !

03-25-2021, 02:27 PM	#25
ncap99 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 319	Not sure this is the proper place to post this, but has anyone been noticing that the walk rates seem to be absurdly high against any pitcher with under around 70 control? Speaking strictly about perfect draft, I stopped bothering to draft pitchers at all that don't have at least 70 as they were consistently getting blown up, even if they were 100+ in other things like STU/MOV. I've moved away from bothering with stuff all together and focused on MOV/CON and through the first 5-6 draft tournaments they seem to be performing better even with less high pick investment. Not a lot of data points to go against here but could be more due to the vastly different player pool you'll see in perfect draft vs. a pre constructed tournament team. You can't put a punch of 80 contact hitters that play defense at every position unless you're really lucky for example, so a lot more of the "3 outcome" type guys that could be driving walk rate.

03-27-2021, 11:52 PM	#27
Riabi Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 20	Ok, so, I've read through these posts several times now, and I'm not quite sure I fully understand how this works. My understanding at this point is that we pull all the data from the leagues we want (this part I get). And, then the idea is to clean and process that data by running several python scripts in the order listed? Is that about right? Or am I way off?

04-02-2021, 12:14 AM	#29
scipper Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 24	Another thing to look at that I haven't done is breakpoint detection. For the batting/pitching statistics, instead of treating the whole thing linearly you could try to do it piecewise, adding breakpoints in for each stats.

04-18-2021, 07:52 AM	#31
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	Is this basically the same for the single player mode of ootp as well?

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