Wild Pitches and 3rd base

michael1956 · 02-24-2021, 05:56 PM

Not really sure where to put this.

On wild pitches with a runner on 3rd base, does the runner EVER get thrown out. I've played over 30 seasons worth of historical replays and I've never seen the base runner lose. I've seen MLB games where the catcher gets a lucky ricochet off a wall and the runner is dead meat. Is this something that could be addressed in future versions?

Rain King · 02-24-2021, 08:19 PM

Could be a conflict of how the animation works with the play-by-play.

Technically, if a guy gets thrown out at 3B it isn't a wild pitch...it is a caught stealing.

So, it is certainly possible OOTP doesn't account for that kind of special play, not sure. I don't play the games out enough to have a feel for that.

Either way, not sure I would I would consider it something that needs "fixed", but would be a cool addition if those animations aren't currently in there. But also may be difficult to find the correct rate of occurrence as play-by-play data would not specifically point this play out.

michael1956 · 02-25-2021, 08:17 AM

No, my direct is for a runner already on 3rd base and coming to the plate. The runner is safe 100% of the time, guaranteed. Great if it's your man but certainly not statistically accurate.

RchW · 02-25-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by michael1956

No, my direct is for a runner already on 3rd base and coming to the plate. The runner is safe 100% of the time, guaranteed. Great if it's your man but certainly not statistically accurate.

It absolutely is. If the runner is thrown out, it's not a wild pitch by definition.

Now the question is; why do we not see runners out while advancing more often at 2B 3B and home?

edit; see screenshot from BR with definition. Despite what it says a WP and PB are not recorded when the runner is out

michael1956 · 02-26-2021, 04:47 PM

Good point. I've never seen a runner thrown out at any base ever! I can see faster runners making it but slow runners should have a greater chance of failure. Now a few years ago the Indians had a Firstbasman who was slow as molasses but was real good at anticipating balls in the dirt would get past the catcher and taking 2nd.

Zorian77 · 03-01-2021, 02:59 PM

Realistically, it is likely a matter of not being worth the programming effort. My guess is this happens fewer than 1/10000 plays in real life. So they need to setup the code for a rare event and the text. It would be extremely difficult for a simulation to cover every single possible outcome. And as someone else pointed out, it isn't a wild pitch if the runner is thrown out because the runner didn't advance. So the game already has a mechanism for covering the play, it just doesn't have special flavor text for it.

I would agree the flavor text tends to be a bit rigid and often doesn't describe what actually might have happened that well.

joefromchicago · 03-03-2021, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Technically, if a guy gets thrown out at 3B it isn't a wild pitch...it is a caught stealing.

No, it's not recorded as a CS. It's recorded as an out trying to advance. Think of it this way: if the runner succeeds in taking the base, it's not recorded as a stolen base. So it wouldn't be fair to record an unsuccessful attempt as a caught-stealing.

I think the problem here is rooted in the way that OOTP is designed. OOTP starts with the stats and then parcels them out to the players over the course of the season. Stats for passed balls/wild pitches are easy - they're recorded and it's easy to know how those work out in the game. Out-on-base, on the other hand, is difficult. Those stats represent all the times that a runner is thrown out on the bases where it isn't a stolen-base attempt or a fielder's choice. So all of those are thrown together into a single stat and it's not easy to draw out all the instances where a runner unsuccessfully attempted to advance on an errant pitch. I'm not sure how OOTP handles that, but evidently it could do a better job of it.

02-24-2021, 05:56 PM	#1
michael1956 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 44	Wild Pitches and 3rd base Not really sure where to put this. On wild pitches with a runner on 3rd base, does the runner EVER get thrown out. I've played over 30 seasons worth of historical replays and I've never seen the base runner lose. I've seen MLB games where the catcher gets a lucky ricochet off a wall and the runner is dead meat. Is this something that could be addressed in future versions? __________________ OOTP21 rocks.

02-25-2021, 08:17 AM	#3
michael1956 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 44	Runner coming home No, my direct is for a runner already on 3rd base and coming to the plate. The runner is safe 100% of the time, guaranteed. Great if it's your man but certainly not statistically accurate. __________________ OOTP21 rocks.

02-26-2021, 04:47 PM	#5
michael1956 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 44	base runners Good point. I've never seen a runner thrown out at any base *ever!* I can see faster runners making it but slow runners should have a greater chance of failure. Now a few years ago the Indians had a Firstbasman who was slow as molasses but was real good at anticipating balls in the dirt would get past the catcher and taking 2nd. __________________ OOTP21 rocks.

02-24-2021, 08:19 PM	#2
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,120 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Could be a conflict of how the animation works with the play-by-play. Technically, if a guy gets thrown out at 3B it isn't a wild pitch...it is a caught stealing. So, it is certainly possible OOTP doesn't account for that kind of special play, not sure. I don't play the games out enough to have a feel for that. Either way, not sure I would I would consider it something that needs "fixed", but would be a cool addition if those animations aren't currently in there. But also may be difficult to find the correct rate of occurrence as play-by-play data would not specifically point this play out.

03-01-2021, 02:59 PM	#6
Zorian77 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 58	Realistically, it is likely a matter of not being worth the programming effort. My guess is this happens fewer than 1/10000 plays in real life. So they need to setup the code for a rare event and the text. It would be extremely difficult for a simulation to cover every single possible outcome. And as someone else pointed out, it isn't a wild pitch if the runner is thrown out because the runner didn't advance. So the game already has a mechanism for covering the play, it just doesn't have special flavor text for it. I would agree the flavor text tends to be a bit rigid and often doesn't describe what actually might have happened that well.