REALLY Annoying Owner

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by Ace1234NY

I dont really think in real life owners are just signing contracts without the GM knowing beforehand. I'm sure there are cases where the owner demands the GM sign a certain player. But the idea that the owner is just going to players' agents and signing them without saying anything to the GM? I doubt this happens much. The owner would just go the Jerry Jones route and not hire a GM. A more realistic option could be that a controlling owner gives you an ultimatum if he really wants you to sign a player. And if you fail he either fires you or *then* takes matters into his/her own hands.

Also I do think goals like this should be reworked to make more sense. I think there's a kind of hardcore view that nonsensical demands are realistic. Like sure, maybe your owner could be Caligula. But like 99% of human beings can understand why "cut payroll" and "re-sign this super expensive player" work against each other. There are unreasonable demands like giving a small payroll and expecting success. Or an owner wanting to keep a declining veteran for sentimental reasons. This should absolutely be a challenge the player faces sometimes. But that's different from goals that when taken together make no sense. The vast majority of sound-of-mind individuals will understand the obvious contradictions in OP's goals just as all of us can, and they would probably find another way to achieve what they want. And finally there's still the issue of playability. This is a game after all and OP's situation doesn't sound very playable.

This. I agree with every word.

[JerseyPirate]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Here's what I would do. Dont trade him if you were never going to resign him. Go into commish mode, then the editor and make him a free agent. Then edit your owner to be hands off.

Ultimately, this is your game. And if your fun is being impacted by a game mechanism that is not fun for you, then change it. No one will judge you for it

How do you go into "commish mode" and make these edits? I've looked all over the place and can't see where I can edit my owner other than to turn owner goals off. I don't mind the goals, it's the signing of players to extensions that is driving me nuts.

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by rafla

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows some people that specialize in fixing these kinds of problems.

Well you really only have 2 choices:
Stay on and wait until the owner sells or dies or,
Play out your contract then find another team.

Or quit and wait for a job opening you like.

[Mr. Marlin]

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

I'm almost at my wit's end in my most recent long term franchise. My previous owner sold the team 4-5 seasons ago and a controlling owner took over. Every year he has given ridiculous goals like cutting payroll while requiring me to re-sign my most expensive free agent. I can deal with this but it's even worse.

He goes out and re-signs arbitration eligible and soon to be free agent veterans to deals without my knowledge at higher prices than I could re-sign them for including players on the decline in their early to mid 30's who are over-priced that I planned to let walk so I could promote young talent.

Now, to the the straw that broke the camel's back. I have a future hall of famer that I've had since he signed as an international free agent. He's a stud hitter but can only play DH. After 9 seasons with me, I was going to let him walk but the owner made it a goal to re-sign him. I waited until the end of spring training, when no one else would match his offer, to finally re-sign him to a 3 year deal to make him the highest paid player in the game. He was very good for the 3 years on that deal but I was ready to let him go again because I had younger, cheaper options that I could plug in at DH. Instead, during the final year of his deal, my owner signs him to a 5 year deal that runs until he's 38. He took a pay cut, but he is still in the top 10 in the league.

He had another great year in the first year of the deal, but now my idiot owner wants me to get rid of him because he's a clubhouse distraction. Well, he's been with me for 13 years so he is a 10/5 player and can't be traded. So now I'm stuck with a guy for 4 more years that myself and the owner don't want now due to nothing I did.

I guess I may turn the 10/5 rule off temporarily just to trade him but I feel that's cheating. Is there any way to get rid of an owner???? It's making me not want to play and I don't want to start over. I'm in season 40 of this latest franchise. I guess I could move on and take another job but I love what I've built.

Oh well, sorry for the rant, but I needed to vent.

Dear Jersey Pirate,

We know EXACTLY how you feel!

Love,
Florida/Miami Marlins Management 2002-2017

[kryakyu12]

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

How do you go into "commish mode" and make these edits? I've looked all over the place and can't see where I can edit my owner other than to turn owner goals off. I don't mind the goals, it's the signing of players to extensions that is driving me nuts.

You can find the owner settings on the team home page. Go to "Team Home", then the "Settings" sub-tab. The owner stats that can be set are on the left-hand column toward the bottom.



Cheers!
-kr-

[Bobfather]

I had good owners in OOTP but couldn't stand them in real life. So I just deleted the owner, and the AI sold the team to a much better owner, hands-off, and a good budget.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I had good owners in OOTP but couldn't stand them in real life. So I just deleted the owner, and the AI sold the team to a much better owner, hands-off, and a good budget.

I'm not familiar to this mechanic. as far as I was aware of, you cannot delete owners, only edit them. How were you able to delete them?

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I'm not familiar to this mechanic. as far as I was aware of, you cannot delete owners, only edit them. How were you able to delete them?

It was a while ago. I think I edited the name blank.

[JerseyPirate]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I'm not familiar to this mechanic. as far as I was aware of, you cannot delete owners, only edit them. How were you able to delete them?

I still can't find where I can edit the owner.

His latest move after I won the World Series was to re-sign my stud 1B for 5 years and $120 mil to up my payroll to $846 mil and then gave me a goal of cutting payroll to $640 mil. I still have the 38 year old guy who is now 2 1/2 stars with 1 year and $80 mil left and a 35 year old former stud pitcher with 2 years at $160 mil per year left that I'm stuck with.

Oh well, I know he won't fire me since I just won the ship.

[smythejd]

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

Oh well, I know he won't fire me since I just won the ship.

That is not always the case. When I first started playing this game, I just finished winning back to back championships when, after a slow start the very next season, the demanding owner fired me. I took this way too personal and went into a depression. Seriously, over a stupid game (I really need a life). I soon found the "Cannot be fired" button and life has been good since then.

[Bobfather]

[QUOTE=JerseyPirate;4745628]I still can't find where I can edit the owner.

His latest move after I won the World Series was to re-sign my stud 1B for 5 years and $120 mil to up my payroll to $846 mil and then gave me a goal of cutting payroll to $640 mil. I still have the 38 year old guy who is now 2 1/2 stars with 1 year and $80 mil left and a 35 year old former stud pitcher with 2 years at $160 mil per year left that I'm stuck with.

Turn on Commish mode. Go to front office .> Owner> Click on Owner Name> Select Editor. Hilite and delete name. Now I can't guarantee the new owner will be better. The AI still assigns the owner.

[SirSaab]

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

I still can't find where I can edit the owner.

His latest move after I won the World Series was to re-sign my stud 1B for 5 years and $120 mil to up my payroll to $846 mil and then gave me a goal of cutting payroll to $640 mil. I still have the 38 year old guy who is now 2 1/2 stars with 1 year and $80 mil left and a 35 year old former stud pitcher with 2 years at $160 mil per year left that I'm stuck with.

Oh well, I know he won't fire me since I just won the ship.

Whoa whoa whoa... ***CUT*** payroll to $640M??? Is the All-Star team from your league just YOUR team? Hahaha! That’s like, the Yankees and Dodger payroll COMBINED!

[AlpineSK]

Originally Posted by Brad K

If you're going to turn off anything turn off owners goals.

Or commissioner mode.

[AlpineSK]

Originally Posted by Ace1234NY

I dont really think in real life owners are just signing contracts without the GM knowing beforehand. I'm sure there are cases where the owner demands the GM sign a certain player. But the idea that the owner is just going to players' agents and signing them without saying anything to the GM? I doubt this happens much. The owner would just go the Jerry Jones route and not hire a GM. A more realistic option could be that a controlling owner gives you an ultimatum if he really wants you to sign a player. And if you fail he either fires you or *then* takes matters into his/her own hands.

Also I do think goals like this should be reworked to make more sense. I think there's a kind of hardcore view that nonsensical demands are realistic. Like sure, maybe your owner could be Caligula. But like 99% of human beings can understand why "cut payroll" and "re-sign this super expensive player" work against each other. There are unreasonable demands like giving a small payroll and expecting success. Or an owner wanting to keep a declining veteran for sentimental reasons. This should absolutely be a challenge the player faces sometimes. But that's different from goals that when taken together make no sense. The vast majority of sound-of-mind individuals will understand the obvious contradictions in OP's goals just as all of us can, and they would probably find another way to achieve what they want. And finally there's still the issue of playability. This is a game after all and OP's situation doesn't sound very playable.

Yup. ALL of this. It never happened to me in 16 years of playing the game until I got to OOTP21. Sorry, this just would never happen. Sure, owners might be pushy, but I doubt an owner would walk into the GM's office and say "Hey, I just signed this second baseman. Here's his contract." It just would not happen.

This is by far the worst feature in the game right now and needs immediate attention.

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

Yup. ALL of this. It never happened to me in 16 years of playing the game until I got to OOTP21. Sorry, this just would never happen. Sure, owners might be pushy, but I doubt an owner would walk into the GM's office and say "Hey, I just signed this second baseman. Here's his contract." It just would not happen.



This is by far the worst feature in the game right now and needs immediate attention.

Well you haven't watched how deals get done with the Nationals. Scott Boras calls the owner and does a $100 million deal. The GM finds out when the news breaks.

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[tejdog1]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

Yup. ALL of this. It never happened to me in 16 years of playing the game until I got to OOTP21. Sorry, this just would never happen. Sure, owners might be pushy, but I doubt an owner would walk into the GM's office and say "Hey, I just signed this second baseman. Here's his contract." It just would not happen.

This is by far the worst feature in the game right now and needs immediate attention.

100% this is how it happened with the Mets under the previous owners (who don't deserve to have their names uttered ever again)

[JerseyPirate]

[QUOTE=Bobfather;4745816]

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

I still can't find where I can edit the owner.

His latest move after I won the World Series was to re-sign my stud 1B for 5 years and $120 mil to up my payroll to $846 mil and then gave me a goal of cutting payroll to $640 mil. I still have the 38 year old guy who is now 2 1/2 stars with 1 year and $80 mil left and a 35 year old former stud pitcher with 2 years at $160 mil per year left that I'm stuck with.

Turn on Commish mode. Go to front office .> Owner> Click on Owner Name> Select Editor. Hilite and delete name. Now I can't guarantee the new owner will be better. The AI still assigns the owner.

How do you turn on "commish mode"???

[JerseyPirate]

Originally Posted by SirSaab

Whoa whoa whoa... ***CUT*** payroll to $640M??? Is the All-Star team from your league just YOUR team? Hahaha! That’s like, the Yankees and Dodger payroll COMBINED!

I'm now in 2063 with inflation set at 2-3% annually so the minimum salary is now $2.1 mil and the top salary is $160 mil.

[mrowland]

My "favorite" owner goal one time was to acquire a power hitter. Since I usually play at the Royals and have financial limitations, I couldn't just overpay for anyone. I decided to be shrewd and traded for Austin Meadows, and actually got quite a haul from Tampa in the process (who knew Whit Merrifield was THAT valuable?!?).

Meadows played the entire season with KC and hit 47 home runs, led the league in OPS and second in WAR. But the owner goal was not satisfied, not even in the yellow category. No, it was in the red category. I have no idea how that goal wasn't completed.

Of course, this is the same game that has owner goals that will say "increase your home runs from the previous year," and while it seems like an easy goal, it actually has nothing to do with increasing your home runs from the previous year. No, you actually have to finish higher in the team rankings. So even if you hit 100, and then the next year hit 200, if your overall league rank in HR isn't improved, you failed your goal. Who writes this code?

[r0nster]

i ignore my owner when i have a winning record