pitcher ratings

flyball · 02-19-2021, 01:36 AM

now there is stuff, controll and stuff like that but how do i weigh those stats version say how could each pitch is, so what if his stuff and movement are low in ratings but has a decent rating on his pitches, so how do you weigh control,movement and stuff vs fastball curve ect?

oldfatbaldguy · 02-22-2021, 12:26 PM

I use the pitch ratings mostly just to see how many pitches a guy has. If he doesn't have three, and I mean really have three ... not two with ratings around 15 and a third one that's a 4 ... you don't want to use him as a starter, regardless of stamina rating. In my experience guys can have very high-rated pitches and still be bad pitchers. I also tend to be skeptical of guys who have a lot of pitches. If he's 22 years old and he's got six pitches that are all middle-rated, in my experience he tends to pitch as if he needs to figure out what he's good at, and do that.

Stuff matters most to me. If a guy doesn't have good stuff, having good control only helps a little.

What do other people think? I could easily be full of hooey. This is just what I think I've observed.

n8n · 02-22-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfatbaldguy

I use the pitch ratings mostly just to see how many pitches a guy has. If he doesn't have three, and I mean really have three ... not two with ratings around 15 and a third one that's a 4 ... you don't want to use him as a starter, regardless of stamina rating. In my experience guys can have very high-rated pitches and still be bad pitchers. I also tend to be skeptical of guys who have a lot of pitches. If he's 22 years old and he's got six pitches that are all middle-rated, in my experience he tends to pitch as if he needs to figure out what he's good at, and do that.

Stuff matters most to me. If a guy doesn't have good stuff, having good control only helps a little.

What do other people think? I could easily be full of hooey. This is just what I think I've observed.

This is mostly correct, but there's a few things I'd change. The most effective method of run prevention is an elite defense (especially at C, SS, and CF, and no defensive black holes elsewhere) combined with high movement and groundball tendencies. Your pitchers will allow very few home runs, letting your defense eat most contact. Stuff is valuable as well, but movement is most important.

Type of pitches matters too, but not all that much in my experience. The rule where a starter must have at least three plus pitches is a solid one, but there are exceptions.

One is that knuckleballers need only one other pitch. The knuckleball itself is so effective, you can excel with two pitches.

The second is that certain combinations of ratings allow starters without three plus pitches to succeed. One time, I acquired a reliever because I liked his ratings, then after several injuries decided to let him start a few times because I was completely out of starters. He had 70 movement and was an EXGB groundballer. He featured an 80-grade sinker (the best pitch for keeping the ball on the ground), 70-grade cutter and 35-grade changeup. In short, he was perfectly suited to preventing hard contact.

I figured I'd let him get blown up for a bit and move him back as soon as possible, but he kinda did really well. 3 Cy Youngs and a career that by WAR puts him next to Sandy Koufax later, he retired.

Garlon · 02-22-2021, 04:03 PM

For starting pitchers,, they need to have at least 3 pitches.

Stuff is their strikeout rate

Movement is their HR allowed rate

Control is their BB rate

If you are playing historical games I find that control is quite important. If you ha the option of your team striking out an additional 100 batters or allowing 100 fewer BB, which would you take?

I would prefer saving 100 BB because, even if you do not strike out those extra 100 batters about 70 percent of the balls in play will turn into outs anyway, but of those 100 batters you of course will allow some HR in there. By saving 100 BB though that is nearly like saving 100 total bases.

02-19-2021, 01:36 AM	#1
flyball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 41	pitcher ratings now there is stuff, controll and stuff like that but how do i weigh those stats version say how could each pitch is, so what if his stuff and movement are low in ratings but has a decent rating on his pitches, so how do you weigh control,movement and stuff vs fastball curve ect?

02-22-2021, 12:26 PM	#2
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 395	I use the pitch ratings mostly just to see how many pitches a guy has. If he doesn't have three, and I mean really have three ... not two with ratings around 15 and a third one that's a 4 ... you don't want to use him as a starter, regardless of stamina rating. In my experience guys can have very high-rated pitches and still be bad pitchers. I also tend to be skeptical of guys who have a lot of pitches. If he's 22 years old and he's got six pitches that are all middle-rated, in my experience he tends to pitch as if he needs to figure out what he's good at, and do that. Stuff matters most to me. If a guy doesn't have good stuff, having good control only helps a little. What do other people think? I could easily be full of hooey. This is just what I think I've observed.

02-22-2021, 04:03 PM	#4
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,305	For starting pitchers,, they need to have at least 3 pitches. Stuff is their strikeout rate Movement is their HR allowed rate Control is their BB rate If you are playing historical games I find that control is quite important. If you ha the option of your team striking out an additional 100 batters or allowing 100 fewer BB, which would you take? I would prefer saving 100 BB because, even if you do not strike out those extra 100 batters about 70 percent of the balls in play will turn into outs anyway, but of those 100 batters you of course will allow some HR in there. By saving 100 BB though that is nearly like saving 100 total bases.