Hey Markus!

[ThePride87]

Originally Posted by mitchkenn

There are some things in life you can control. There are other things in life you cannot control even with good intentions.
All you can do is enjoy those you can control and deal with the others best you can. If OOTP goes micro transactions, well, then it'll be time for some of us to stay with older versions, or move onto something else. If it doesn't. then we can jump for joy and keep enjoying a superb product. Being apprehensive is OK. We're all in the same leaky boat right now but until something actually happens - either negative or positive - we're just guessing and that's sort of like throwing darts towards a target we can't see.
Yes, there is concern (a lot of concern) and not knowing how the product is evolving, and not getting ANY info is not helping. But there are things in life a lot worse than if OOTP changes directions. Trust me on this, a lot worse things. end of sermon, the collection plate was stolen so it won't be passed around. - as all of us, i'm waiting for the world to end , or some updated news about OOTP 22, maybe not in that order.

^ This right here. Well said.

[Izz]

Originally Posted by kev24fan

I just looked on Com2Us web sight and saw this. If that is OOTP's new name with the new company?

It's not. That is an already existing game with 7800+ reviews on Google Play.

I guess OOTPGo could replace that game but unlikely imo.

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In a side note: I still feel the best version of OOTP for accuracy and balance is 16. I've bought all other versions up to 20 but really, I could quite happily play 16 for the rest of my life. Personally, I don't get the wringing of the hands as to the future of the franchise - if the game changes into something I don't like I'll just play one of the past versions I own. Dunno, maybe it's because I'm primarily a fictional player? But even so, you'd have to think that the community would start making roster mods to keep all the modern day players on older versions up-to-date if things go bad with future versions?

[BaseballGOAT]

I'm guessing that while working away on 22 that Markus has seen this dumpster fire and laughed since as already stated that last year nothing happened until the 2nd week in March yet because someone started a thread in February this year... and there's been no official response... the sky has fallen and OOTP is dead.. long live OOTP... again, I bet he's had fun reading this .. i know I would in his shoes

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

I'm guessing that while working away on 22 that Markus has seen this dumpster fire and laughed since as already stated that last year nothing happened until the 2nd week in March yet because someone started a thread in February this year... and there's been no official response... the sky has fallen and OOTP is dead.. long live OOTP... again, I bet he's had fun reading this .. i know I would in his shoes

Besides everything has been so good and normal in the world the last year there are no excuses for the game not to be released already. (sarcasm).

[JerseyDan421]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

I'm guessing that while working away on 22 that Markus has seen this dumpster fire and laughed since as already stated that last year nothing happened until the 2nd week in March yet because someone started a thread in February this year... and there's been no official response... the sky has fallen and OOTP is dead.. long live OOTP... again, I bet he's had fun reading this .. i know I would in his shoes

I feel part of people's overreaction is the fact that OOTP has new owners, now people are anxiously seeing how the new game is not only for this year but in the future.

I bet if OOTP was never sold and this thread was made, people would just laugh at it, there's always extra anticipation when something new is involved.

[Mr. Marlin]

Originally Posted by JerseyDan421

I feel part of people's overreaction is the fact that OOTP has new owners, now people are anxiously seeing how the new game is not only for this year but in the future.

I bet if OOTP was never sold and this thread was made, people would just laugh at it, there's always extra anticipation when something new is involved.

Nah I make this thread every year. It's sort of a tradition. They did beat me to it one year. OOTP 16 I think.

I have no reservations about 22. It would have been well into development when the sale was announced. What the future holds is a bit more murkey. As I said before, the history of the work of studios like OOTPD after coming under a parent company is definitely negative. But that does not mean this example must follow the trends. We will just have to see.

[Poweshow]

I mean, plain and simple if it's clear that the game and its production is primarily steering towards microtransactions we will lambast them on the message boards, I will up and down urge people to never partake in the microtranscations, we will downvote the game into oblivion, we will spam every rating site with horrible reviews and we will abandon the management team.

I say this as somebody who has been playing for 15 years now.

I am insanely hopeful that we will not be abandoned. I do not want to hate this game or its direction. I want to love this game every year.
But turning this game into something it isn't and spitting in the face of those who have bought the game every single year would be consumer war.

I welcome the decision no matter what.
I will either continue to love this game into oblivion OR I'll do everything in my power to put it back on track.

I welcome the negatives responses to this - my DMs are open for fan mail and planning

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

I mean, plain and simple if it's clear that the game and its production is primarily steering towards microtransactions we will lambast them on the message boards, I will up and down urge people to never partake in the microtranscations, we will downvote the game into oblivion, we will spam every rating site with horrible reviews and we will abandon the management team.

I say this as somebody who has been playing for 15 years now.

I am insanely hopeful that we will not be abandoned. I do not want to hate this game or its direction. I want to love this game every year.
But turning this game into something it isn't and spitting in the face of those who have bought the game every single year would be consumer war.

I welcome the decision no matter what.
I will either continue to love this game into oblivion OR I'll do everything in my power to put it back on track.

I welcome the negatives responses to this - my DMs are open for fan mail and planning

I understand the sentiment. I really do. You feel like, in a way, that you've contributed to their success. I feel the same way. But if you step back and look at it from the outside in, they don't actually owe us anything. Every year, we've given them money and they have given us a game. Giving them money one year for a game does not make them indebted to us. It does not mean that they continue to owe us games every year.

Because they don't owe us anything for our $40 dollars every year other than a fun game for said year, if they choose to take the game in a different direction, that's their prerogative.

Having said that, Markus and company sold the game to some corporation. It's no longer Markus' game. If the game becomes some albatross of microtransactional hell, we should remember who to blame. We can't blame Markus for cashing out of his life's work. We all would have done the same.

[Poweshow]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I understand the sentiment. I really do. You feel like, in a way, that you've contributed to their success. I feel the same way. But if you step back and look at it from the outside in, they don't actually owe us anything. Every year, we've given them money and they have given us a game. Giving them money one year for a game does not make them indebted to us. It does not mean that they continue to owe us games every year.

Because they don't owe us anything for our $40 dollars every year other than a fun game for said year, if they choose to take the game in a different direction, that's their prerogative.

Having said that, Markus and company sold the game to some corporation. It's no longer Markus' game. If the game becomes some albatross of microtransactional hell, we should remember who to blame. We can't blame Markus for cashing out of his life's work. We all would have done the same.

I wouldn't blame Markus. Not at all. Like you said, I'd do the same thing.
But i'll do everything to make sure they realize their mistake and put it back in his hands.

I mean nothing malicious about any of this - the new company owes us nothing. Markus did the right thing.
But the new company will play by the existing customer's rules and will continue to cater to us. That's not a request of them, that is a demand. Their entire portfolio of games is at stake.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

I wouldn't blame Markus. Not at all. Like you said, I'd do the same thing.
But i'll do everything to make sure they realize their mistake and put it back in his hands.

I mean nothing malicious about any of this - the new company owes us nothing. Markus did the right thing.
But the new company will play by the existing customer's rules and will continue to cater to us. That's not a request of them, that is a demand. Their entire portfolio of games is at stake.

I 100% agree with you. If Com2us ruins the game, I'll be right beside you carrying the pitchfork. I just wanted to make sure the anger would have been directed towards the right people

[Poweshow]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I 100% agree with you. If Com2us ruins the game, I'll be right beside you carrying the pitchfork. I just wanted to make sure the anger would have been directed towards the right people

To be ultra clear - if its apparent that the majority of the work in this year's game has been dedicated towards microtransactions.... we burn this to the ground, scorched earth, WWII eastern front.

Hoping that others are outwardly militant about this - we cannot compromise.

[LooneyOne]

People need to chill out lol .. the game will change for the better .. Ootp needs $$ to improve the game, in order to do this, they have to create a way to maximize profits .. PT is the way they do this .. it's simple business 101 .. the developers know what they are doing .. they have to expand, and mobile gaming with micotransactions is the way to go to reach a wider audience .. no need to overreact lol

[Roy Tucker]

Originally Posted by Izz

It's not. That is an already existing game with 7800+ reviews on Google Play.

I guess OOTPGo could replace that game but unlikely imo.

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In a side note: I still feel the best version of OOTP for accuracy and balance is 16. I've bought all other versions up to 20 but really, I could quite happily play 16 for the rest of my life. Personally, I don't get the wringing of the hands as to the future of the franchise - if the game changes into something I don't like I'll just play one of the past versions I own. Dunno, maybe it's because I'm primarily a fictional player? But even so, you'd have to think that the community would start making roster mods to keep all the modern day players on older versions up-to-date if things go bad with future versions?

1000% agree, OOTP 16 is the best version of OOTP. It is the one I still play as well.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

To be ultra clear - if its apparent that the majority of the work in this year's game has been dedicated towards microtransactions.... we burn this to the ground, scorched earth, WWII eastern front.

Hoping that others are outwardly militant about this - we cannot compromise.

Eh maybe bring it down just a tad

Originally Posted by LooneyOne

People need to chill out lol .. the game will change for the better .. Ootp needs $$ to improve the game, in order to do this, they have to create a way to maximize profits .. PT is the way they do this .. it's simple business 101 .. the developers know what they are doing .. they have to expand, and mobile gaming with micotransactions is the way to go to reach a wider audience .. no need to overreact lol

Well they don’t have to expand. They want to for financial reasons which is fair, but they don’t have to

[The Game]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

you probably know more than me on this, since negro leagues are counted as ML, where does that put Hank Aaron's ML HR total? I havent been able to find anything

Doesn't change. The NLB as a ML is only from 1920-1948. so any players that played in NLB after 1948, their stats dont count.I am sad about this as i really wanted Connie Morgan, Toni Stone & Mamie Johnson to be the 1st 3 women to play ML baseball but all 3 played 1953 and after.

[OutS|der]

Just got an email asking be to confirm my subscription to the newsletter where it mentions OTTP22 will be out in March but no other news

“Among all subscribers who opt-in until February 25 we are giving away 10 free copies of OOTP Baseball 22 plus 100,000 Perfect Points once the game is released in March 2021.”

[dward1]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Just got an email asking be to confirm my subscription to the newsletter where it mentions OTTP22 will be out in March but no other news

“Among all subscribers who opt-in until February 25 we are giving away 10 free copies of OOTP Baseball 22 plus 100,000 Perfect Points once the game is released in March 2021.”

this goes along with everything the game has been trending toward. This thread overstates the impact of the New Owners as if the game itself and the dev team hasn't been going toward microtransactions/PT as the Core Game over the past few years. Just look at how much they push that vs how little attention the old school game gets.

I highly doubt the core game was in development when the game was sold as all the development clearly has gone towards PT and packs over the past couple years. That's why they sold to this new company, to get more money. I don't blame the developers at all, it's what I would probably do. the market for people like us who post on the boards is almost unfathomably deep but incredibly narrow...that's no way to make a big business.

[Mr. Marlin]

Originally Posted by dward1

this goes along with everything the game has been trending toward. This thread overstates the impact of the New Owners as if the game itself and the dev team hasn't been going toward microtransactions/PT as the Core Game over the past few years. Just look at how much they push that vs how little attention the old school game gets.

I highly doubt the core game was in development when the game was sold as all the development clearly has gone towards PT and packs over the past couple years. That's why they sold to this new company, to get more money. I don't blame the developers at all, it's what I would probably do. the market for people like us who post on the boards is almost unfathomably deep but incredibly narrow...that's no way to make a big business.

I have to say I completely disagree that the core game has not been getting attention. It’s gotten quite a lot of it. 3-D is still a new thing to this game. I think 19 was the first version of it and it’s come along way in just three versions. We’ve gotten AI improvements, scouting report improvements, draft pool improvements and we have a ballpark creator tool. Granted that is still in its nascent stages but I think we’re going to see some add-ons to that this year. The core game probably grows more with each new version now than it did in the early years.

[treymancini]

Originally Posted by dward1

this goes along with everything the game has been trending toward. This thread overstates the impact of the New Owners as if the game itself and the dev team hasn't been going toward microtransactions/PT as the Core Game over the past few years. Just look at how much they push that vs how little attention the old school game gets.

I highly doubt the core game was in development when the game was sold as all the development clearly has gone towards PT and packs over the past couple years. That's why they sold to this new company, to get more money. I don't blame the developers at all, it's what I would probably do. the market for people like us who post on the boards is almost unfathomably deep but incredibly narrow...that's no way to make a big business.

Yep, one great example of the attention of PT vs. the core game is the official discord. There's 3 text channels for the core game (one of which is just to post mod links) and like 20+ for PT. We can't even split the core game channel into "evaluate my player", "new player help", etc. to split up some of the common posts. The channel is this massive conglomeration of stuff that's hard to follow.

They have no interest in making the core game better and haven't for years. We've gotten cursory upgrades, most of which are graphics, but nothing compared to what used to take place. There's still things that are glaring holes in gameplay (coaching, international amateurs, the stunning lack of a draft cap, that one awful charity storyline) that never get fixed.

[md40022]

All I want is for OOTP22 to be released and run stable without crashes and for it to be amazing for I can sit in front of my PC for hours on end with print outs of stats and notebooks with jotted down notes and hours and hours and hours of "wasted" time on my weekends with plates full of sandwich crumbs next to me on the desk and an empty coffee cup on one corner of the desk which is how I began at 8:00 that morning, and now there's an empty bourbon glass on the other corner of the desk since it's now 8:00 in the evening and I've accomplished nothing in real life for my entire day, but damn I got a few good looking prospects in low A ball right now and should I flip them for big league ready talent and make a push for the world series this year?


I mean am I asking too much???