REALLY Annoying Owner

JerseyPirate · 02-11-2021, 02:48 PM

I'm almost at my wit's end in my most recent long term franchise. My previous owner sold the team 4-5 seasons ago and a controlling owner took over. Every year he has given ridiculous goals like cutting payroll while requiring me to re-sign my most expensive free agent. I can deal with this but it's even worse.

He goes out and re-signs arbitration eligible and soon to be free agent veterans to deals without my knowledge at higher prices than I could re-sign them for including players on the decline in their early to mid 30's who are over-priced that I planned to let walk so I could promote young talent.

Now, to the the straw that broke the camel's back. I have a future hall of famer that I've had since he signed as an international free agent. He's a stud hitter but can only play DH. After 9 seasons with me, I was going to let him walk but the owner made it a goal to re-sign him. I waited until the end of spring training, when no one else would match his offer, to finally re-sign him to a 3 year deal to make him the highest paid player in the game. He was very good for the 3 years on that deal but I was ready to let him go again because I had younger, cheaper options that I could plug in at DH. Instead, during the final year of his deal, my owner signs him to a 5 year deal that runs until he's 38. He took a pay cut, but he is still in the top 10 in the league.

He had another great year in the first year of the deal, but now my idiot owner wants me to get rid of him because he's a clubhouse distraction. Well, he's been with me for 13 years so he is a 10/5 player and can't be traded. So now I'm stuck with a guy for 4 more years that myself and the owner don't want now due to nothing I did.

I guess I may turn the 10/5 rule off temporarily just to trade him but I feel that's cheating. Is there any way to get rid of an owner???? It's making me not want to play and I don't want to start over. I'm in season 40 of this latest franchise. I guess I could move on and take another job but I love what I've built.

Oh well, sorry for the rant, but I needed to vent.

Brad K · 02-11-2021, 03:49 PM

If you're going to turn off anything turn off owners goals.

lizardkingjim · 02-11-2021, 05:54 PM

If owner goals would have been turned off before the owner went around his GM and signed the player to a five year extension, would that have prevented the owner from signing the player to the extension?

rink23 · 02-11-2021, 06:47 PM

I had a great owner, until he died and his son took over.
He's got all these outrageous goals.
His big ones, signing a player from the area and stealing bases.
I just tell him to f-off, and -- my team invariable makes the playoffs or at least finishes over .500 every season -- that from the start of spring talk until the final game of the season this is my team.
He can talk to me after that.

pgjocki · 02-11-2021, 07:15 PM

How is the owner signing contracts? Are you the GM or manager?

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SirSaab · 02-11-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

How is the owner signing contracts? Are you the GM or manager?

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“Controlling” owners can perform GM duties even if you’re GM.

I’d fulfill my contract, then leave that team and the stupid-ass son for a team where my GM talents would be appreciated LOL

tejdog1 · 02-11-2021, 07:29 PM

Welcome to Working for the Wilpons!

smythejd · 02-11-2021, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardkingjim

If owner goals would have been turned off before the owner went around his GM and signed the player to a five year extension, would that have prevented the owner from signing the player to the extension?

No The owner can still sign guys with Owner goals turned off.

I had the same type of owner in my fictional save. It also drove me nuts. I finally quit the team, took another team, then totally picked apart my prior team through trades. It was kinda fun getting back at the horrible owner.

SirSaab · 02-11-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smythejd

No The owner can still sign guys with Owner goals turned off.

I had the same type of owner in my fictional save. It also drove me nuts. I finally quit the team, took another team, then totally picked apart my prior team through trades. It was kinda fun getting back at the horrible owner.

You are a person after my own heart

itsmb8 · 02-11-2021, 10:28 PM

Unpopular maybe, but I actually love this. The biggest thing I want in sports games is to have it mirror real-life as much as possible so I can truly feel like its my own alternate reality, and this does just that.

As a Brewers fan, Stearns probably felt that way about Braun, but he had 10/5 rights and Mark A probably wanted him to stay until he retired, so thats what happened.

Id say its pretty realistic in OOTP, and you always have the option to turn it off.

Ace1234NY · 02-11-2021, 10:36 PM

I dont really think in real life owners are just signing contracts without the GM knowing beforehand. I'm sure there are cases where the owner demands the GM sign a certain player. But the idea that the owner is just going to players' agents and signing them without saying anything to the GM? I doubt this happens much. The owner would just go the Jerry Jones route and not hire a GM. A more realistic option could be that a controlling owner gives you an ultimatum if he really wants you to sign a player. And if you fail he either fires you or *then* takes matters into his/her own hands.

Also I do think goals like this should be reworked to make more sense. I think there's a kind of hardcore view that nonsensical demands are realistic. Like sure, maybe your owner could be Caligula. But like 99% of human beings can understand why "cut payroll" and "re-sign this super expensive player" work against each other. There are unreasonable demands like giving a small payroll and expecting success. Or an owner wanting to keep a declining veteran for sentimental reasons. This should absolutely be a challenge the player faces sometimes. But that's different from goals that when taken together make no sense. The vast majority of sound-of-mind individuals will understand the obvious contradictions in OP's goals just as all of us can, and they would probably find another way to achieve what they want. And finally there's still the issue of playability. This is a game after all and OP's situation doesn't sound very playable.

pgjocki · 02-11-2021, 10:48 PM

I've played every version of OOTP since OOTP 13 and I've never had an owner sign a player for the team I'm controlling.

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Brad K · 02-11-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardkingjim

If owner goals would have been turned off before the owner went around his GM and signed the player to a five year extension, would that have prevented the owner from signing the player to the extension?

I think so. Although maybe its storylines? I play with both off.

Kronos · 02-12-2021, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smythejd

No The owner can still sign guys with Owner goals turned off.

I had the same type of owner in my fictional save. It also drove me nuts. I finally quit the team, took another team, then totally picked apart my prior team through trades. It was kinda fun getting back at the horrible owner.

This is the way.

JerseyPirate · 02-12-2021, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgjocki

I've played every version of OOTP since OOTP 13 and I've never had an owner sign a player for the team I'm controlling.

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I guess I'm the "lucky" one. He signs 4-5 arbitration eligible players before or during the season to 1 year deals at inflated rates and 2-3 veteran to long term deals each season.

His latest move last night was to re-sign a soon to be free agent 5 star relief pitcher who isn't my closer to a 2 year, $65 mil deal. Oh, and he missed the last month of the season with a torn tendon in his elbow and is 33 years old....

I got sorta lucky with his previous high priced non-closer RP signee. He signed him to a 3 year, $90 mil deal when he was 5 stars. After the first year, he went to 3 1/2 and early in the 2nd year he went to 2 1/2. Luckily, he decided to retire after the season so I didn't have to carry a $30 mil turd on my roster or cut him.

And looking at my owner's profile, he's actually listed as "interfering" as his involvement.

treymancini · 02-12-2021, 09:30 AM

I hear all about people having their owners locking their scouting budgets or signing players and I have literally never experienced this. I really don't understand what's going on, even in my Mets save the Wilpons never do that, sometimes it feels like you all ar emaking that up.

JerseyPirate · 02-12-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by treymancini

I hear all about people having their owners locking their scouting budgets or signing players and I have literally never experienced this. I really don't understand what's going on, even in my Mets save the Wilpons never do that, sometimes it feels like you all ar emaking that up.

I forgot about the scouting and development budgets. That's just as annoying as signing players I want to let go. I always maxed out my scouting and development and now I'm lucky to be at 50% of the max each year despite always making a big profit and having budget money leftover.

rafla · 02-12-2021, 10:45 AM

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows some people that specialize in fixing these kinds of problems.

Well you really only have 2 choices:
Stay on and wait until the owner sells or dies or,
Play out your contract then find another team.

OzzyOz23 · 02-12-2021, 03:24 PM

I consider the owner goals a house rule type situation that provides a challenge which handicaps my team in a sense. However, I've never workers for an owner that is this controlling and I can see it become absolutely maddening, particularly if he is also an economizer. Peter Angelos, anyone?

I feel like the suggestion to leave the team after your contract expires and then strip mine the franchise in trades is a fantastic, and likely cathartic, idea.

jpeters1734 · 02-12-2021, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyPirate

I'm almost at my wit's end in my most recent long term franchise. My previous owner sold the team 4-5 seasons ago and a controlling owner took over. Every year he has given ridiculous goals like cutting payroll while requiring me to re-sign my most expensive free agent. I can deal with this but it's even worse.

He goes out and re-signs arbitration eligible and soon to be free agent veterans to deals without my knowledge at higher prices than I could re-sign them for including players on the decline in their early to mid 30's who are over-priced that I planned to let walk so I could promote young talent.

Now, to the the straw that broke the camel's back. I have a future hall of famer that I've had since he signed as an international free agent. He's a stud hitter but can only play DH. After 9 seasons with me, I was going to let him walk but the owner made it a goal to re-sign him. I waited until the end of spring training, when no one else would match his offer, to finally re-sign him to a 3 year deal to make him the highest paid player in the game. He was very good for the 3 years on that deal but I was ready to let him go again because I had younger, cheaper options that I could plug in at DH. Instead, during the final year of his deal, my owner signs him to a 5 year deal that runs until he's 38. He took a pay cut, but he is still in the top 10 in the league.

He had another great year in the first year of the deal, but now my idiot owner wants me to get rid of him because he's a clubhouse distraction. Well, he's been with me for 13 years so he is a 10/5 player and can't be traded. So now I'm stuck with a guy for 4 more years that myself and the owner don't want now due to nothing I did.

I guess I may turn the 10/5 rule off temporarily just to trade him but I feel that's cheating. Is there any way to get rid of an owner???? It's making me not want to play and I don't want to start over. I'm in season 40 of this latest franchise. I guess I could move on and take another job but I love what I've built.

Oh well, sorry for the rant, but I needed to vent.

Here's what I would do. Dont trade him if you were never going to resign him. Go into commish mode, then the editor and make him a free agent. Then edit your owner to be hands off.

Ultimately, this is your game. And if your fun is being impacted by a game mechanism that is not fun for you, then change it. No one will judge you for it

02-11-2021, 02:48 PM	#1
JerseyPirate Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 172	REALLY Annoying Owner I'm almost at my wit's end in my most recent long term franchise. My previous owner sold the team 4-5 seasons ago and a controlling owner took over. Every year he has given ridiculous goals like cutting payroll while requiring me to re-sign my most expensive free agent. I can deal with this but it's even worse. He goes out and re-signs arbitration eligible and soon to be free agent veterans to deals without my knowledge at higher prices than I could re-sign them for including players on the decline in their early to mid 30's who are over-priced that I planned to let walk so I could promote young talent. Now, to the the straw that broke the camel's back. I have a future hall of famer that I've had since he signed as an international free agent. He's a stud hitter but can only play DH. After 9 seasons with me, I was going to let him walk but the owner made it a goal to re-sign him. I waited until the end of spring training, when no one else would match his offer, to finally re-sign him to a 3 year deal to make him the highest paid player in the game. He was very good for the 3 years on that deal but I was ready to let him go again because I had younger, cheaper options that I could plug in at DH. Instead, during the final year of his deal, my owner signs him to a 5 year deal that runs until he's 38. He took a pay cut, but he is still in the top 10 in the league. He had another great year in the first year of the deal, but now my idiot owner wants me to get rid of him because he's a clubhouse distraction. Well, he's been with me for 13 years so he is a 10/5 player and can't be traded. So now I'm stuck with a guy for 4 more years that myself and the owner don't want now due to nothing I did. I guess I may turn the 10/5 rule off temporarily just to trade him but I feel that's cheating. Is there any way to get rid of an owner???? It's making me not want to play and I don't want to start over. I'm in season 40 of this latest franchise. I guess I could move on and take another job but I love what I've built. Oh well, sorry for the rant, but I needed to vent.

02-11-2021, 06:47 PM	#4
rink23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 22,198	I had a great owner, until he died and his son took over. He's got all these outrageous goals. His big ones, signing a player from the area and stealing bases. I just tell him to f-off, and -- my team invariable makes the playoffs or at least finishes over .500 every season -- that from the start of spring talk until the final game of the season this is my team. He can talk to me after that. Last edited by rink23; 02-11-2021 at 06:49 PM.

02-11-2021, 07:15 PM	#5
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	How is the owner signing contracts? Are you the GM or manager? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

02-11-2021, 07:29 PM	#7
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,647	Welcome to Working for the Wilpons! __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

02-11-2021, 10:36 PM	#11
Ace1234NY Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 47	I dont really think in real life owners are just signing contracts without the GM knowing beforehand. I'm sure there are cases where the owner demands the GM sign a certain player. But the idea that the owner is just going to players' agents and signing them without saying anything to the GM? I doubt this happens much. The owner would just go the Jerry Jones route and not hire a GM. A more realistic option could be that a controlling owner gives you an ultimatum if he really wants you to sign a player. And if you fail he either fires you or then takes matters into his/her own hands. Also I do think goals like this should be reworked to make more sense. I think there's a kind of hardcore view that nonsensical demands are realistic. Like sure, maybe your owner could be Caligula. But like 99% of human beings can understand why "cut payroll" and "re-sign this super expensive player" work against each other. There are unreasonable demands like giving a small payroll and expecting success. Or an owner wanting to keep a declining veteran for sentimental reasons. This should absolutely be a challenge the player faces sometimes. But that's different from goals that when taken together make no sense. The vast majority of sound-of-mind individuals will understand the obvious contradictions in OP's goals just as all of us can, and they would probably find another way to achieve what they want. And finally there's still the issue of playability. This is a game after all and OP's situation doesn't sound very playable. Last edited by Ace1234NY; 02-11-2021 at 10:50 PM.

02-11-2021, 03:49 PM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	If you're going to turn off anything turn off owners goals.

02-11-2021, 05:54 PM	#3
lizardkingjim Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 45	If owner goals would have been turned off before the owner went around his GM and signed the player to a five year extension, would that have prevented the owner from signing the player to the extension?

02-11-2021, 10:28 PM	#10
itsmb8 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,340	Unpopular maybe, but I actually love this. The biggest thing I want in sports games is to have it mirror real-life as much as possible so I can truly feel like its my own alternate reality, and this does just that. As a Brewers fan, Stearns probably felt that way about Braun, but he had 10/5 rights and Mark A probably wanted him to stay until he retired, so thats what happened. Id say its pretty realistic in OOTP, and you always have the option to turn it off.

02-11-2021, 10:48 PM	#12
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	I've played every version of OOTP since OOTP 13 and I've never had an owner sign a player for the team I'm controlling. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

02-12-2021, 09:30 AM	#16
treymancini Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 251	I hear all about people having their owners locking their scouting budgets or signing players and I have literally never experienced this. I really don't understand what's going on, even in my Mets save the Wilpons never do that, sometimes it feels like you all ar emaking that up.

02-12-2021, 10:45 AM	#18
rafla Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 29	I know a guy who knows a guy who knows some people that specialize in fixing these kinds of problems. Well you really only have 2 choices: Stay on and wait until the owner sells or dies or, Play out your contract then find another team.

02-12-2021, 03:24 PM	#19
OzzyOz23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 60	I consider the owner goals a house rule type situation that provides a challenge which handicaps my team in a sense. However, I've never workers for an owner that is this controlling and I can see it become absolutely maddening, particularly if he is also an economizer. Peter Angelos, anyone? I feel like the suggestion to leave the team after your contract expires and then strip mine the franchise in trades is a fantastic, and likely cathartic, idea.