Do your teams play better if you maintain the same/ similar lineups

kwyjibo · 11-03-2020, 01:28 PM

I was wondering if, like football manager, players do better (all else being equal) if they play in the same position and the same lineups over time. In other words, does chopping and changing frequently 'unsettle' your players?

CBeisbol · 11-03-2020, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kwyjibo

I was wondering if, like football manager, players do better (all else being equal) if they play in the same position and the same lineups over time. In other words, does chopping and changing frequently 'unsettle' your players?

I doubt anyone knows

It'd be an interesting but difficult, thing to look at, though

I'd *guess* there's minimal effect. Players'...what's it called...adaptivity rating? might come into play here,

mytreds · 11-05-2020, 12:08 AM

If you are referring to the formation/teammate familiarity effect in the current batch of FM simulators, then no, this simulator does not have that mechanic afaik.

Some players have specific expectations of being top of the lineup, middle of the lineup, etc that can affect their mood.

slugga27 · 11-05-2020, 07:13 AM

I don't know if it would unsettle players, but I have had experiences where I move a struggling player down in the lineup. For example, Xander Bogaerts in my Red Sox file. He started out poorly hitting fifth. I moved him to NINTH for a few games and he broke out of his slump. It's interesting to look at those splits and in this case, it shows him hitting over .400 in the ninth spot, while hitting around .200 in the fifth spot.

To summarize: move players around if it makes sense. Don't move players around just for the sake of moving players around.

koohead · 11-05-2020, 10:27 AM

I don't have hard data but I had one player that was rated 65 or higher at 5 positions coming up through the minors. I purposely moved him around through all 5 positions to try to develop him into a super utility player. His batting stats sucked. I finally parked him at 2B and he started hitting .300+ in Double A and Triple A and in the Majors. So...who knows. maybe his batting was just the last to develop. But I do find batters who are doing fine hitting struggle for a period of time when I change their position (or try to have them learn a new position) so there is something there.

CBeisbol · 11-05-2020, 10:31 AM

I'd hope this isn't a one size fits all thing

It makes intuitive sense that some players might struggle when moving to a new position, or team, or spot in the lineup or whatever.

But to declare that all players do, without statistical evidence, would be folly

It seems equally as likely that some players are not effected

And that some players would improve.

ThePretender · 11-05-2020, 10:38 AM

I'd say no. I'm always running platoons and having players play in different positions or spots in the lineup, their production is what I expect and I'm usually leading the league in offence.

I think you're limiting your potential offence by using the same guys against all pitchers. I'm usually running 4 or 5 platoons and I can't imagine using most players against every pitcher given the splits players have.

11-03-2020, 01:28 PM	#1
kwyjibo Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 16	Do your teams play better if you maintain the same/ similar lineups I was wondering if, like football manager, players do better (all else being equal) if they play in the same position and the same lineups over time. In other words, does chopping and changing frequently 'unsettle' your players?

11-05-2020, 12:08 AM	#3
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,183	If you are referring to the formation/teammate familiarity effect in the current batch of FM simulators, then no, this simulator does not have that mechanic afaik. Some players have specific expectations of being top of the lineup, middle of the lineup, etc that can affect their mood. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

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koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	I don't have hard data but I had one player that was rated 65 or higher at 5 positions coming up through the minors. I purposely moved him around through all 5 positions to try to develop him into a super utility player. His batting stats sucked. I finally parked him at 2B and he started hitting .300+ in Double A and Triple A and in the Majors. So...who knows. maybe his batting was just the last to develop. But I do find batters who are doing fine hitting struggle for a period of time when I change their position (or try to have them learn a new position) so there is something there. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

11-05-2020, 10:38 AM	#7
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	I'd say no. I'm always running platoons and having players play in different positions or spots in the lineup, their production is what I expect and I'm usually leading the league in offence. I think you're limiting your potential offence by using the same guys against all pitchers. I'm usually running 4 or 5 platoons and I can't imagine using most players against every pitcher given the splits players have. Last edited by ThePretender; 11-05-2020 at 10:39 AM.

11-05-2020, 07:13 AM	#4
slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,272	I don't know if it would unsettle players, but I have had experiences where I move a struggling player down in the lineup. For example, Xander Bogaerts in my Red Sox file. He started out poorly hitting fifth. I moved him to NINTH for a few games and he broke out of his slump. It's interesting to look at those splits and in this case, it shows him hitting over .400 in the ninth spot, while hitting around .200 in the fifth spot. To summarize: move players around if it makes sense. Don't move players around just for the sake of moving players around.

11-05-2020, 10:31 AM	#6
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	I'd hope this isn't a one size fits all thing It makes intuitive sense that some players might struggle when moving to a new position, or team, or spot in the lineup or whatever. But to declare that all players do, without statistical evidence, would be folly It seems equally as likely that some players are not effected And that some players would improve.