do historical expansions use historacle protect lists?

chriskelly · 10-18-2020, 03:11 PM

I'm bored as hell so i'm going back to 93 to run the rockies. I started a historical in 92 with talent randomness at a min and simmed a year. When I get to the draft, are these the actual players that were protected? If not, does anyone know where I can get my hands on those lists (my memory is that they were not made public)

1991Twins · 10-18-2020, 04:10 PM

1992 Expansion Lists By Team

The only thing I'm not sure of how you would simulate would be the format:

- Each team could protect 15 players on 40 man roster (shown in link above)
- There were 3 rounds. At the end of the 1st round, NL teams could add 3 more safe players and AL players could add 4 more safe players. Same format for the end of the 2nd round. I'm not sure who was added between rounds.
- Only 8 AL teams could have 3 players chosen.

Rules for selection:

1. Anyone who was 18 or younger when signed in 1990 is not able to be chosen..
2. Anyone chosen in the amateur drafts in 1991 or 1992 is not able to be chosen.
3. Any free agents in 1992 were not able to be chosen. They could be signed before the draft though, as the Rockies did sign Andres Galarraga to a 1 year $850,000 contract a day before the expansion draft.

chriskelly · 10-18-2020, 04:29 PM

Awesome! thanks!!!

thehef · 10-19-2020, 02:30 AM

An idea for using actual protected lists but a sim-expansion draft... I don't know if it would work, or if it would but with unintended consequences... At any rate:

1. On the day of the draft, take all the protected guys and manually retire them (you'd need to be in commissioner mode).
2. Run the draft.
3. Unretire the protected guys and put them back on their teams.

I don't know how you handle this part: "At the end of the 1st round, NL teams could add 3 more safe players and AL players could add 4 more safe players. Same format for the end of the 2nd round. I'm not sure who was added between rounds." Maybe educated guesses?

1991Twins · 10-19-2020, 05:37 AM

I bet if he was in commissioner mode, he could probably just set the protection lists manually for each team using the link to the real 1992 newspaper article I posted. In the game, since the contracts are random, he would need to make sure none of the players are designated for free agency and extend them manually if needed. This is the exact reason why I manually set the contracts for 1992 in my game as I like the real free agents.

Sidenote: when I play expansion modes, I usually split the difference and have teams protect 18 players since the actual rules are almost impossible to follow.

10-18-2020, 03:11 PM	#1
chriskelly All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 753	do historical expansions use historacle protect lists? I'm bored as hell so i'm going back to 93 to run the rockies. I started a historical in 92 with talent randomness at a min and simmed a year. When I get to the draft, are these the actual players that were protected? If not, does anyone know where I can get my hands on those lists (my memory is that they were not made public)

10-18-2020, 04:10 PM	#2
1991Twins Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 499	1992 Expansion Lists By Team The only thing I'm not sure of how you would simulate would be the format: - Each team could protect 15 players on 40 man roster (shown in link above) - There were 3 rounds. At the end of the 1st round, NL teams could add 3 more safe players and AL players could add 4 more safe players. Same format for the end of the 2nd round. I'm not sure who was added between rounds. - Only 8 AL teams could have 3 players chosen. Rules for selection: 1. Anyone who was 18 or younger when signed in 1990 is not able to be chosen.. 2. Anyone chosen in the amateur drafts in 1991 or 1992 is not able to be chosen. 3. Any free agents in 1992 were not able to be chosen. They could be signed before the draft though, as the Rockies did sign Andres Galarraga to a 1 year $850,000 contract a day before the expansion draft. Last edited by 1991Twins; 10-18-2020 at 04:53 PM.

10-19-2020, 05:37 AM	#5
1991Twins Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 499	I bet if he was in commissioner mode, he could probably just set the protection lists manually for each team using the link to the real 1992 newspaper article I posted. In the game, since the contracts are random, he would need to make sure none of the players are designated for free agency and extend them manually if needed. This is the exact reason why I manually set the contracts for 1992 in my game as I like the real free agents. Sidenote: when I play expansion modes, I usually split the difference and have teams protect 18 players since the actual rules are almost impossible to follow. Last edited by 1991Twins; 10-19-2020 at 05:39 AM.

10-18-2020, 04:29 PM	#3
chriskelly All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 753	Awesome! thanks!!!

10-19-2020, 02:30 AM	#4
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	An idea for using actual protected lists but a sim-expansion draft... I don't know if it would work, or if it would but with unintended consequences... At any rate: 1. On the day of the draft, take all the protected guys and manually retire them (you'd need to be in commissioner mode). 2. Run the draft. 3. Unretire the protected guys and put them back on their teams. I don't know how you handle this part: "At the end of the 1st round, NL teams could add 3 more safe players and AL players could add 4 more safe players. Same format for the end of the 2nd round. I'm not sure who was added between rounds." Maybe educated guesses?