Do your teams or players ever lose their home run power?

[Dave Stieb II]

I just thought I'd post their real life stats for comparison sake, that's all.
Based strictly on those, they are underperforming collectively through 101 games in your ootp save.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for in your game.
I generally play Standard Games starting in 2020 and moving forward. No fantasy. Very limited historical.
So in my standard game ootp baseball world, there are outliers, surprises, disappointments, etc. as one would expect. Sometimes, I think, a few TOO many but that's a topic for another thread on another day.
If I played historical, would I be hoping that individual results mirrored real life? With a few outliers, surprises, disappointments? None? I'm not sure.

[ALB123]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

I just thought I'd post their real life stats for comparison sake, that's all.
Based strictly on those, they are underperforming collectively through 101 games in your ootp save.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for in your game.
I generally play Standard Games starting in 2020 and moving forward. No fantasy. Very limited historical.
So in my standard game ootp baseball world, there are outliers, surprises, disappointments, etc. as one would expect. Sometimes, I think, a few TOO many but that's a topic for another thread on another day.
If I played historical, would I be hoping that individual results mirrored real life? With a few outliers, surprises, disappointments? None? I'm not sure.

Ahhh okay...Thanks.

You can play historical the way you described. I think they call it "season replay". You'll get the same signings that the real-life team got. Players will retire in OOTP the same way they did in real-life. Also, there are other options you can enable/disable to get it closer to how ya remembered it.

I play in such a way that when I started my universe in 1981 as Yankees GM, every MLB roster mirrored real-life. I don't know if every single player in my minor leagues were 100% as they were in real life, but I'm willing to bet they were. From pitch one, however, I was on an alternate timeline. Don't totally dismiss it. It is so much fun. I've got Barry Freakin' Bonds on my Yankees roster in 1992!!

It's really no different than the way you're playing. I don't know what the calendar year is in your universe, but if you started with 2020, as you mentioned, you were off on an alternate timeline with the very first pitch too, ya know?

Also, I want to include that even with the way that I play each season overall I'm fairly close to real life, in terms of statistics. Not necessarily individual statistics, but as a whole. I'm sure you know about the screen, "Historical Simulation Accuracy". It's in the menu MLB > Statistics > Historical Simulation Accuracy if you never paid much attention to it since you don't play historical. Well, here is mine. My first two seasons, 1981 and 1982, I had no freakin' clue what I was doing. LOL I was doing re-calcs and stuff in the middle of the season, just like an idiot. LOL As you can see, my numbers aren't too far off the real-life statistics...overall.



I happened to be out of the country all of 1998 and a few months into 1999. I never even knew Dave Stieb did that mini-comback in '98. When a friend mentioned it, I refused to believe him for a few days. When I confirmed it I was blown away. That dude was a bada$$. I don't believe we will ever see someone pitch no-hitters into the 9th only to lose it with 2 outs both times in back-to-back starts. That was insane. With his temper, I'm surprised he didn't burn a building down or something insane like that. He was a beast on that mount...He pitched high and inside, keeping hitters off the plate, better than almost everybody. That was his property.

[Westheim]

- Do your teams or players ever lose their home run power?

Yes. As soon as I trade for them.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by ALB123

Ahhh okay...Thanks.


I happened to be out of the country all of 1998 and a few months into 1999. I never even knew Dave Stieb did that mini-comback in '98. When a friend mentioned it, I refused to believe him for a few days. When I confirmed it I was blown away. That dude was a bada$$. I don't believe we will ever see someone pitch no-hitters into the 9th only to lose it with 2 outs both times in back-to-back starts. That was insane. With his temper, I'm surprised he didn't burn a building down or something insane like that. He was a beast on that mount...He pitched high and inside, keeping hitters off the plate, better than almost everybody. That was his property.

Buck Martinez, former Jays catcher and current Jays broadcaster, was reminiscing about Stieb on a recent broadcast.
He said many people have the wrong impression about Stieb....he was a nice guy and well-liked by his teammates....except on days he started.
Buck said Stieb hated EVERYONE on game days and his teammates just came to accept the fierce, angy competitor he was, albeit through gritted teeth and while seething inside on occasion.

I'll say this, analytics developed since that time have righted a wrong that I knew existed way back then.
Many people considered Jack Morris the best RH SP in the American League for most of the decade of the '80's. That was just plain absurd.
Dave Stieb was the best RH SP in the AL for most of the decade of the '80's and it wasn't even close.
Thank you WAR for revealing the truth.

[ALB123]

Originally Posted by Westheim

- Do your teams or players ever lose their home run power?

Yes. As soon as I trade for them.

BINGO!!!

Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!

Isn't that how it always works?

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Not really

Other than only Bonds is really a HR hitter out of that group

I have manually gone in set players to 250 power from 30 power.
They do better.
But the next season they drop completely back to 30 which is stupid no matter what the recalc is

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

I have manually gone in set players to 250 power from 30 power.
They do better.
But the next season they drop completely back to 30 which is stupid no matter what the recalc is

Well, no.

Because it is a *re-* calculation.
And the recalculation is based on real life stats not user edits

It's doing exactly what it should

[ALB123]

1992 has finished so I figured I would post the regular-season totals.

Barry Bonds crushed 5 home runs in the last week of the regular season. Thank God! I took this screenshot after the playoffs, so I blacked out the playoff games to eliminate any confusion.



And this is the final team batting stats for 1992...



As you can see, Bonds finished the season with 24 home runs, significantly fewer than he has hit in his previous MLB seasons. Here is a summary of his MLB regular season statistics from his rookie season to the present.



The other two players I mentioned in my original post, Bernie Williams & John Olerud, both failed to live up to their 1991 home run totals. Bernie barely missed it. Olerud was way short. Neither player was truly known as a home run hitter in real life and their OOTP MLB careers are only 3 seasons for each player, much too short to make too much out of the data, as in, I can't say that this or that is a trend. Just a General Manager's observation.

Bernie Williams Career Batting Stats by Year:



John Olerud's Career Batting Stats by Year:



You may have noticed that Olerud played a dozen or so fewer games this year (1992). He suffered an injury and a stint on the IL. If he didn't have that injury, he may have hit one more home run based on his HR frequency. Nothing earth shattering.

Again, I couldn't believe I started the final week of the regular season with Barry Bonds at 19 home runs for the year. Still, B. Williams, B. Bonds & J. Olerud continue to lead my team in Slugging Percentage. That makes me happy as they are my 3-4-5 hitters, respectively. However, Bonds RBI total showed a big drop and his Isolated Power (ISO) was down significantly. His stats were still good enough to capture the American League MVP again, besting his teammate Bernie Williams who had an overall spectacular season. Bernie topped the American League in Hits (211), RBI (122) & AVG (.334) which made me ecstatic. I've tried to lock him down with a nice, long contract, but he's not stupid. He only wants a 1-year deal for around $1,000,000 because he knows when he becomes eligible for Free Agency I'm going to have to write him a very big check to stay with me.

Just for fun, here are our batting stats for the ALCS (4 games) & World Series (6 games)... Home Runs were a plenty! We collected our 3rd World Series title since I took over the team just before the 1981 season began.

[CBeisbol]

Would be more interesting, and useful, to look at HR rates before the first post and HR rates after the first post.

It's not earth shattering that HR totals were lower for the season when they were lower after half the season or 1/3 of the season or whatever

[ALB123]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Would be more interesting, and useful, to look at HR rates before the first post and HR rates after the first post.

It's not earth shattering that HR totals were lower for the season when they were lower after half the season or 1/3 of the season or whatever

Yes. I agree. I'm sure that absolutely no one cared how those players finished for the season, but I figured I'd reveal the final HR totals to "complete" the post.

[Biggio509]

Lots of factors. The game will use league totals to get the league to have around the historical HRs. The actual distribution for each player is somewhat random. So the randomness can cause aberrations for any particular player. Not sure if you are playing multi-seasons but make sure the importation of totals is on and to recalc modifiers before each season. If player development is on you could see aging and development factors between seasons as well.

While OOTP usually gets the totals close you probably shouldn't expect exact numbers for players unless you have historical lineups and transactions. Even then you find some slight variations due to randomness.

Not really sure why this is happening. Maybe they are facing some tougher pitchers they didn't draw as much in real life. Consider just having some closer games could mean a hitter faces the closers and set up men more than lesser relievers if the run gap is one or 2 higher than in real life. A lot of things could be happening here. I remember being pissed when Bonds broke the HR record. Not because he did but because the game wasn't close and the Astros put in some reliever I don't think ever pitched much just before it happened. I would have rather seen it broken against a good MLB pitcher than a cup of coffee guy.

[ALB123]

Originally Posted by Biggio509

Lots of factors. The game will use league totals to get the league to have around the historical HRs. The actual distribution for each player is somewhat random. So the randomness can cause aberrations for any particular player. Not sure if you are playing multi-seasons but make sure the importation of totals is on and to recalc modifiers before each season. If player development is on you could see aging and development factors between seasons as well.

While OOTP usually gets the totals close you probably shouldn't expect exact numbers for players unless you have historical lineups and transactions. Even then you find some slight variations due to randomness.

Not really sure why this is happening. Maybe they are facing some tougher pitchers they didn't draw as much in real life. Consider just having some closer games could mean a hitter faces the closers and set up men more than lesser relievers if the run gap is one or 2 higher than in real life. A lot of things could be happening here. I remember being pissed when Bonds broke the HR record. Not because he did but because the game wasn't close and the Astros put in some reliever I don't think ever pitched much just before it happened. I would have rather seen it broken against a good MLB pitcher than a cup of coffee guy.

Thanks, Biggio509... Yes, I am playing multi-year career play and I do have totals import and modifiers re-calc every season. I have the OOTP player development engine on and I have Talent Change Randomness at 100. My player Aging & Developing Speeds are all set to 1.000.

I expect and I want players to increase & decrease skill according to their OOTP development - not mimic real life exactly. That wouldn't be nearly as fun for my liking. It's one of the reasons I don't look at their "real stats" from time to time to compare...To me, that reality doesn't exist. I put my faith into individual player ratings in OOTP.

As I stated, I know Bernie W. and John Olerud weren't 1990's style power hitters, but I thought I'd see fairly consistent production in line with their career stats. This was only the 3rd season for Bernie & Olerud, so I admit I was probably a bit premature in my thinking they'd follow their previous 2 seasons' power numbers. Bonds, on the other hand, had only hit less than 40 home runs in a season twice up until that point. His rookie season he hit 37 and 1989 he hit 36, but he also missed between 8 weeks due to an ankle injury. At 28 years old, I admit, I absolutely expected him to hit around 40 home runs. Seeing him at 19 HR for the year going into the final week of the season really, really shocked me.

Fortunately, all three had awesome years at the plate, nonetheless.