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Old 10-11-2020, 10:04 PM   #1
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Congrats to the 2nd F2P winner of the Perfect World Series...

...KingJulien's Highland Deer! So now with 19 seasons in the books, 2 PL title winners are known to be F2P. We also had another team, JMallet's Greenwich Time Lords (who are also a BFF team) post the best record of any team in PL. Plus, HiDesertAce's High Desert Aces ended a several-season run in PL, missing playoffs by just a game after having made a few in a row. And we even had an OL team (formerly BFF) get a shot at PL this week, the Laramie Mustangs run by GreatAjax.

F2P competition at the highest level is alive and well. It's not something that's attainable for everyone, and all of these teams have been running since the game launched. But it's clearly no fluke at this point to see F2P success at the top of the mountain, possible for those who put in the hours working the market, see the right angles, and identify an extra strategic advantage they have that can put them over the PL field.
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Old 10-12-2020, 12:10 PM   #2
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Old 10-12-2020, 12:21 PM   #3
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...KingJulien's Highland Deer! So now with 19 seasons in the books, 2 PL title winners are known to be F2P. We also had another team, JMallet's Greenwich Time Lords (who are also a BFF team) post the best record of any team in PL. Plus, HiDesertAce's High Desert Aces ended a several-season run in PL, missing playoffs by just a game after having made a few in a row. And we even had an OL team (formerly BFF) get a shot at PL this week, the Laramie Mustangs run by GreatAjax.

F2P competition at the highest level is alive and well. It's not something that's attainable for everyone, and all of these teams have been running since the game launched. But it's clearly no fluke at this point to see F2P success at the top of the mountain, possible for those who put in the hours working the market, see the right angles, and identify an extra strategic advantage they have that can put them over the PL field.
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Old 10-13-2020, 12:22 AM   #4
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Zero chance you can win Perfect League as free to play. Everything I’ve read on discord is that lots of people pass cards, stuff tournaments with their multiple licenses and coordinate to manipulate the auction house. If that’s how you “win”, no thanks. Hopefully OOTP puts in better safeguards next year.
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Old 10-13-2020, 12:53 AM   #5
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Okay...if that makes you feel better.
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Old 10-13-2020, 02:14 AM   #6
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Zero chance you can win Perfect League as free to play. Everything I’ve read on discord is that lots of people pass cards, stuff tournaments with their multiple licenses and coordinate to manipulate the auction house. If that’s how you “win”, no thanks. Hopefully OOTP puts in better safeguards next year.
If you're curious, I've logged my journey as F2P to the top here. Tl;dr: the economy was really predictable this year which made anyone who speculated appropriately filthy rich: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=320438

Also, if you fold in not just true F2P but also teams spending $100 or less (an amount really not going to compare at all to the big team costs out there), there are a LOT of teams in PL who have been successful. F2P or $100 or $5k starts to become indistinguishable for those of us who did the basic legwork to speculate on TOTD and FOTF.
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:57 AM   #7
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For new folks reading this, this post is essentially like the ones you'll find where people say they pulled Tris Speaker in 5 packs. It just doesn't happen.

I am F2P and may be in one of these groups. It is VERY easy to cheat in this game right now. I imagine the new ownership will put in guidelines next year that clamps down on folks and multiple license to limit the manipulation with teams/AH/twitch/etc but as of now, if you've got the time, you can be very successful at appearing to be what some top teams claim.

QuC, please stop beating your chest. The community sees you, the group and Matt as a complete stain (your logo is perfect) on OOTP21and this game as a whole. Lots of great teams left with buyouts because of this whole fiasco. You're doing nothing to further this game by your ego posting except making folks disappointed in the game more and respecting you less.
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Sounds like some serious beef in Perfect League. Btw, what do you mean by buyouts?
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Old 10-13-2020, 08:58 AM   #9
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Okay...if that makes you feel better.
I tried, but yeah I think you had it right the first time. I think observers can choose between "guy who posted a massive, detailed writeup outlining various successes and failures" or "incredulous account made yesterday" and decide who they want to believe. Some people just can't be convinced no matter what you show them.
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:20 AM   #10
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For new folks reading this, this post is essentially like the ones you'll find where people say they pulled Tris Speaker in 5 packs. It just doesn't happen.

I am F2P and may be in one of these groups. It is VERY easy to cheat in this game right now. I imagine the new ownership will put in guidelines next year that clamps down on folks and multiple license to limit the manipulation with teams/AH/twitch/etc but as of now, if you've got the time, you can be very successful at appearing to be what some top teams claim.

QuC, please stop beating your chest. The community sees you, the group and Matt as a complete stain (your logo is perfect) on OOTP21and this game as a whole. Lots of great teams left with buyouts because of this whole fiasco. You're doing nothing to further this game by your ego posting except making folks disappointed in the game more and respecting you less.
wtf does "appearing to be what some of the top teams claim" even mean?

Obviously it takes PP to build a top level team. There are many ways to generate boatloads of PP besides buying it which is all "F2P" means, no one will deny you have to be extremely engaged with the game to do it. I've never joined the discord, had just one team in 20, and don't coordinate with anybody but had a total whale roster by the end with no extra money invested. Now personally I realized that my time investment is more valuable to me than a monetary one so this version I'm playing much more casually, but a good number of people enjoy figuring out how to optimize the climb to the top and will happily do it year after year.

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If you're curious, I've logged my journey as F2P to the top here. Tl;dr: the economy was really predictable this year which made anyone who speculated appropriately filthy rich: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=320438

Also, if you fold in not just true F2P but also teams spending $100 or less (an amount really not going to compare at all to the big team costs out there), there are a LOT of teams in PL who have been successful. F2P or $100 or $5k starts to become indistinguishable for those of us who did the basic legwork to speculate on TOTD and FOTF.
This is correct. I didn't go nearly as all in as I should have and was focused 60/40 long-term/near-term gains instead of 90/10 from release date thru August. I made probably over 5 million or so in perfect points as a FTP person investing in historical cards (or saving when I opened a pack) to sell off. I also sold very few of my Live cards I collected via Tourney pack winnings and played the Live market when the MLB season began in late July.

I never scored a big time Perfect Card (best I did was pull just two historical perfect cards...Bob Gibson & Historical Legend Tom Seaver) but I did probably get about 8-10 MLB Live perfects in pack pulls. Having my lessons learned last year as an FTP player, I knew how to at least make my team competitive from the start was promoted to Diamond in 2025 and have spent nearly every season in Diamond aside from the 2028 & 2043 seasons. I only have one championship (Gold level) but I have fielded a competitive Diamond level team more often than not with my team only finishing 5 times under .500 at that level.
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Congratulations!!! This is literally the second time I've paid attention to what goes on in the PL. FTP guys...you're great!
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For new folks reading this, this post is essentially like the ones you'll find where people say they pulled Tris Speaker in 5 packs. It just doesn't happen.

I am F2P and may be in one of these groups. It is VERY easy to cheat in this game right now. I imagine the new ownership will put in guidelines next year that clamps down on folks and multiple license to limit the manipulation with teams/AH/twitch/etc but as of now, if you've got the time, you can be very successful at appearing to be what some top teams claim.

QuC, please stop beating your chest. The community sees you, the group and Matt as a complete stain (your logo is perfect) on OOTP21and this game as a whole. Lots of great teams left with buyouts because of this whole fiasco. You're doing nothing to further this game by your ego posting except making folks disappointed in the game more and respecting you less.

But, it did happen.
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Zero chance you can win Perfect League as free to play.
Looks like the odds are actually 9 1/2 to 1 that a FTP team could win perfect league.
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I just got to Perfect for the first time last season as an F2Per. Just a quick cup of coffee, but it felt good to be there. Whatever people are posting on Discord about F2Pers, I can tell you that I have seen none of it. The folks of BFF have welcomed me in with open arms and have taught me so much about how to play the game the right way: with hard work and lots of willingness to try different things and find the edge in player choices and strategies to make the difference, and rely on patience and opportunity to make the best use of the auction house.

My team is the aforementioned Laramie team that actually left BFF because it’s rules are too stringent for me, and my limited time to get over the hump. I started a new team in BFF because I enjoy the community so much.

The F2Pers (And frankly, many of the folks who pay to play as well) I have met have been almost uniformly kind, honest, and open about their efforts, and I am thankful for y’all. You have made this game a whole lot of fun. There’s no limit to what we can accomplish if we put our hard work and heart into it. There’s no “right” way to play, free or paying, you still have to put in the resources (time/money/both) depending on who you are, but the players who develop the best strategies and the best use of players still generally win, whatever kind of player they are.

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Came into this thread to read about the F2P PL winner, stayed for the drama
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Basically a F2P(I've spent $9.99), am new to baseball sims(do hockey mostly). Haven't done any Tournys or missions and have just worked the **** outta the AH my first week.

Entered my Rookie league with by far the best team on paper although I do have so far a 3 other teams that are doing good. I currently sit 1st overall and my team pretty much leads the league in almost all stats. What I don't lead I sit top 3.

If you put in the time at least so far you can do well with F2P.

Congrats to the F2P winners.

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Lots of great teams left with buyouts because of this whole fiasco.
Curious what is meant by this. As looking for some previous winners of the Perfect League, they just seem to have ceased to exist...
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Curious what is meant by this. As looking for some previous winners of the Perfect League, they just seem to have ceased to exist...
Brief summary of the big juicy drama that went down like 6 weeks ago: Developer Matt Arnold was found to have used some inside information about PT content to buy some cards in advance for one of his teams. For example, he might get tipped off a few days in advance as to which FOTF teams might be coming out that week. When someone asked Kris if other devs got any kind of insider information, he denied it. But then someone took screenshots of Matt basically confirming that he did do it, and it caused a big stir in the discord. And he did prebuy some set pieces in advance of collections drops and profit off that, nobody is going to refute that.

There was a separate conspiracy theory also worth mentioning: the screenshots that showed Matt mentioning that he prebought stuff were taken from the BFF discord chat, so some people were concerned that Matt openly shared information about set content in advance of their release. There was never really any good evidence that this happened, but some people who felt top F2P users were cheating somehow had something they could latch onto. The devs did their own investigation, including going into the BFF discord chat and looking at the chat logs and concluded that it did NOT happen; no privileged information was shared with BFF or any other PT user. I may add that if you don't believe the devs, all of the even semi-active users in the BFF chat (even those not in the BFF group itself, of which there are several) refute the idea that any sort of inside info was leaked, and if you still don't believe that you can read my PT WS title journal linked above and see all the times I made flagrantly wrong reads on what the content rollout would look like.

To make it worse for the people who thought there was something untoward happening and/or just have it out for F2Pers and cheap teams succeeding, my F2P BFF team won the PL WS the same week that all this info came out. To people like our friend DBacks here who thought it was impossible for any F2P team to get success at the highest level, in their mind it confirmed that there must have been some cheating going on. That, together with a PR response by the devs that was admittedly less than great made some people really upset about this. They threatened to do chargebacks, leave the game, changed their team names to "Cheat to play" and "Refund my PP", calling for Matt to be fired, stuff like that. Eventually it led to OOTPD deciding to ban devs from playing PT unless they were streaming everything they did.

I don't actually think many whales left as a result of this. The people I know who were the most active in discussing this in the discord, even those who were the most upset, are still hanging around. Nowadays, really the main longterm impact is that devs can't play PT on their own time and occasionally some people will accuse F2Pers of cheating with a little more vigor than they did before.

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My take: I think it's too bad they banned devs from playing. It's not like any of the dev teams, Matt's or otherwise, were competing for PL titles or anything like that, and many other users throughout the PTverse were taking advantage of the predictability of TOTD and FOTF far more than he was. I don't personally think devs are obligated to play on the same playing field as users, and I understand why they were removed from the PTverse after some vocal users voiced their displeasure, but I think it was a bit of an overreaction from people who didn't really get the whole dynamic. Matt was in the BFF group in PT20 and PT21, both times as a semi-active user who played the game like any of the rest of us do, and who never shared insider information. In fact, the main communications between the devs and the BFF users were in the other direction: more than once, BFFers would discover some strategy (like forcing SPs to throw complete games) and Matt would beam up info to the devs to patch it. I also think it's important for devs to have a direct line to some of the game's power users, and now it's gone which is a shame. That Matt occasionally had a few days notice on when some sets came out and made a bit of PP; who cares. They could beam up 10M into their account at will if they really wanted to, I don't think it was a big deal. But it's over and done with now.
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Thanks for clarifying this, but I disagree about the devs involvement in playing the game. It’s a clear conflict of interest and any appearance of impropriety should be avoided
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