Using Errors as a punch line

[Thomidor]

I have begun to seriously doubt the validity of the error rate and passball rates (yes I have adjusted them down and it still occurs) in this game. In the past 8 games I have had AI teams score multiple runs per game off errors/passballs on my team. It is completely ridiculous that the error rate is that high for a team with several Gold Glovers and people who rarely commit errors. Let's add to the fact that every error is ALWAYS at the perfect time for the AI team to score a run. The most recent game I played The Rangers scored two runs off throwing errors. One n a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D) and the second on a pick off play (McCann to Rodgers) on a double steal... which I have no idea why a catcher would try and throw out a base steal at second with a guy at third. I have begun to see the trend of my team commits an error or a passball when the AI team is about to get a boost and either tie a game up or extend a lead over me to make the game out of reach.

Has anyone else seen this happen to them or am I just special?

[BIG17EASY]

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

I have begun to seriously doubt the validity of the error rate and passball rates (yes I have adjusted them down and it still occurs) in this game. In the past 8 games I have had AI teams score multiple runs per game off errors/passballs on my team. It is completely ridiculous that the error rate is that high for a team with several Gold Glovers and people who rarely commit errors. Let's add to the fact that every error is ALWAYS at the perfect time for the AI team to score a run. The most recent game I played The Rangers scored two runs off throwing errors. One n a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D) and the second on a pick off play (McCann to Rodgers) on a double steal... which I have no idea why a catcher would try and throw out a base steal at second with a guy at third. I have begun to see the trend of my team commits an error or a passball when the AI team is about to get a boost and either tie a game up or extend a lead over me to make the game out of reach.

Has anyone else seen this happen to them or am I just special?

This is probably not happening

But, present the number of errors your team has committed compared to the league average. And the number of earned runs to unearned runs your team has allowed compared to the league average and we can start to have a look

[Thomidor]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

This is probably not happening

But, present the number of errors your team has committed compared to the league average. And the number of earned runs to unearned runs your team has allowed compared to the league average and we can start to have a look

I shall get that info. I am still a bit clumsy on navigating some of the stat screens though.

[Thomidor]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

This is probably not happening

But, present the number of errors your team has committed compared to the league average. And the number of earned runs to unearned runs your team has allowed compared to the league average and we can start to have a look

OK so I am a bit guessing here on if I got the right stats here or not.

Rockies - Total Runs against - 130
- Earned runs - 119
League Average - runs against - 102.4 (including my team)
- earned runs - 96.1

Rockies - Errors - 15
League Average - 10.7

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

OK so I am a bit guessing here on if I got the right stats here or not.

Rockies - Total Runs against - 130
- Earned runs - 119
League Average - runs against - 102.4 (including my team)
- earned runs - 96.1

Rockies - Errors - 15
League Average - 10.7

So, (1-119/130) 8.5% of the Rockies' runs have been unearned
And (1-96.1/102.4) 6.2% of the league's runs have been unearned

A slightly higher peecentage. That's to be expected since the team has 40% more errors than the league average.

And the amount of unearned runs per error
Rockies 11/15 = .73
League 6.3/10.7 = .59
Is, also, slightly higher.

But, Coors is a higher run environment (assuming you haven't changed anything) so, that's not unexpected either.

The question is why you have 15 errors to about 11 for the rest of the league

One explanation, you just did this after a rough patch. You had a lot of errors recently, so, it makes sense you're totals are a little higher.

It's also possible that your team allows more balls in play than average. More chances for errors.

You'd also need to look at the defensive ratings in more detail. Perhaps your defensive players aren't as good (relative to the league) as you think. And, sometimes good defensive players can make more errors than worse defensive players simply because they get to more balls.

Could also be related to spring training. If your regulars didn't get enough training time they might not be ready for the season.

There doesn't seem to be anything terribly egregious here. It looks to be early in the season, so probably just a bad stretch that'll even out over the course of the season.


There are a number of other possible factors that could be leading to this result than something wrong with the game.

[Will_L]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

One n a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D)

The 3D doesn't determine the result of the play. The play by play text does and then the 3D engine tries (sometimes not very well but its better than earlier versions) to display it.

[Thomidor]

Originally Posted by Will_L

The 3D doesn't determine the result of the play. The play by play text does and then the 3D engine tries (sometimes not very well but its better than earlier versions) to display it.

I have learned that the 3D is not a reliable source for what's happening in the game actually. It is very frustrating to watch that go down though.

[One Great Matrix]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

I have begun to seriously doubt the validity of the error rate and passball rates (yes I have adjusted them down and it still occurs) in this game. In the past 8 games I have had AI teams score multiple runs per game off errors/passballs on my team. It is completely ridiculous that the error rate is that high for a team with several Gold Glovers and people who rarely commit errors. Let's add to the fact that every error is ALWAYS at the perfect time for the AI team to score a run. The most recent game I played The Rangers scored two runs off throwing errors. One n a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D) and the second on a pick off play (McCann to Rodgers) on a double steal... which I have no idea why a catcher would try and throw out a base steal at second with a guy at third. I have begun to see the trend of my team commits an error or a passball when the AI team is about to get a boost and either tie a game up or extend a lead over me to make the game out of reach.

Has anyone else seen this happen to them or am I just special?

I'm not sure, but there are certainly times where people can't help but see what they'd like to see...so these cases, if they were particularly frustrating, perhaps...perhaps you're magnifying them & paying less attention to the other instances of errors by players.

[ALB123]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

One on a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D) and the second on a pick off play (McCann to Rodgers) on a double steal... which I have no idea why a catcher would try and throw out a base steal at second with a guy at third. I have begun to see the trend of my team commits an error or a passball when the AI team is about to get a boost and either tie a game up or extend a lead over me to make the game out of reach.

Has anyone else seen this happen to them or am I just special?

Are you saying that you don't understand why a catcher would try to throw a steal attempt from first base to second base if there is a man on third, ever? Or did you mean that the runners on first base and third base started running at the same time on a pitch thrown and even with the runner coming home from third base the catcher still decided to throw to second base?

I personally have never seen a catcher throw to second base when a guy on third broke for the plate on a pitch. I've definitely seen the AI perform what I've asked first...if only the runner on 1st base breaks for the plate and the catcher has a gun, he better throw to second...unless Willie Mays Hayes is on 3rd base, but even then...we're talking about professional baseball players. We used to practice this scenario over and over in college. Defensively, there are quite a few different things you can try, but no way is an MLB team just going to give up 2nd base every time it's first and third.

BTW, I hope your error rate goes down and you win your division.

[Thomidor]

Originally Posted by ALB123

Are you saying that you don't understand why a catcher would try to throw a steal attempt from first base to second base if there is a man on third, ever? Or did you mean that the runners on first base and third base started running at the same time on a pitch thrown and even with the runner coming home from third base the catcher still decided to throw to second base?

I personally have never seen a catcher throw to second base when a guy on third broke for the plate on a pitch. I've definitely seen the AI perform what I've asked first...if only the runner on 1st base breaks for the plate and the catcher has a gun, he better throw to second...unless Willie Mays Hayes is on 3rd base, but even then...we're talking about professional baseball players. We used to practice this scenario over and over in college. Defensively, there are quite a few different things you can try, but no way is an MLB team just going to give up 2nd base every time it's first and third.

BTW, I hope your error rate goes down and you win your division.

It was a double steal situation with both runners going so yeah why would he make that throw?

Well error rate is not going down..... in fact; last two games three errors, and 5 YES 5 passballs and/or wild pitches all of which lead directly to Astro runs. SMDH

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

It was a double steal situation with both runners going so yeah why would he make that throw?

If the runner on first is much slower or gets a bad jump, the catcher will often throw to second. When I coached in college, we always had a verbal sign to the entire infield for when we were going to try to get the trail runner on a double steal.

Originally Posted by Thomidor

Well error rate is not going down..... in fact; last two games three errors, and 5 YES 5 passballs and/or wild pitches all of which lead directly to Astro runs. SMDH

Is this a game you imported from a previous version? It didn't happen to me with OOTP21, but I had issues importing into previous versions where the passed ball modifier increased drastically during the import process.

[lencombs]

Similar thread from 2016. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=265304

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by Thomidor

I have begun to seriously doubt the validity of the error rate and passball rates (yes I have adjusted them down and it still occurs) in this game. In the past 8 games I have had AI teams score multiple runs per game off errors/passballs on my team. It is completely ridiculous that the error rate is that high for a team with several Gold Glovers and people who rarely commit errors. Let's add to the fact that every error is ALWAYS at the perfect time for the AI team to score a run. The most recent game I played The Rangers scored two runs off throwing errors. One n a throw from Blackmon to Arenado (that clearly had he AI thrown out based on 3D) and the second on a pick off play (McCann to Rodgers) on a double steal... which I have no idea why a catcher would try and throw out a base steal at second with a guy at third. I have begun to see the trend of my team commits an error or a passball when the AI team is about to get a boost and either tie a game up or extend a lead over me to make the game out of reach.

Has anyone else seen this happen to them or am I just special?

This is a simulator not real life, so expect to have your real life expectations of real life player performance differ from what you experience in the simulator.