Real Ratings for All Historical Players: How Do I Find Them?

chucksabr · 09-22-2020, 05:56 PM

I am interested in finding the "real" overall and talent ratings for every player in history who's tracked within OOTP. So I created a historical game just so I could download the CSVs and review the ratings for every batter and pitcher. I am not going to play the actual game itself.

However, I'm not getting what I'm looking for. Good example: Babe Ruth.

I created a game set in 2019 that imported every historical player. After the game was all set up and I downloaded the CSVs, I opened the batters file and went straight to Babe Ruth, to make sure the ratings were reasonable. I expect Babe Ruth to have something close to 255 power potential.

The overall (current) ratings for him were cruddy, which I expected because he's 124 years old and ... uh ... dead.

But when I went to his talent (potential) ratings, his power was listed as 37. In fact, the power ratings for all retired hitters was 37. Obviously not what I was looking for.

So I started a second historical game and tried to tweak settings along the way. I switched one setting from "re-calculating ratings" to "talent and development engine", hoping that that untethering ratings from the year 2019 might help.

It did a little, but when I went to Babe Ruth's potential ratings, his power was listed as 100 which was, again, basically the same as just about every other retired hitter. In the meantime, there are several current players listed as having 550 power potential.

I am obviously not getting what I am hoping for, which is ratings for players relative to their ability through history. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig should be at the top of the potential power list; Frank Zupo and Bob Zupcic should be toward the bottom. They should not all be 100, yet in this new historical game they are.

I hope I have explained this well enough—can anyone help guide me to what I am looking for?

fredbeene · 09-22-2020, 11:24 PM

for reasons i don't agree with, potential does not work with players over 30....

chucksabr · 09-23-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

for reasons i don't agree with, potential does not work with players over 30....

Do you know where I can get this? Or is your post a non-sequitur?

Matt Arnold · 09-23-2020, 10:22 AM

There is no single value. Depending on the exact league setup you do, which options you choose, what year you start, etc... the values will change.

Brad K · 09-23-2020, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chucksabr

Do you know where I can get this? Or is your post a non-sequitur?

It has to do with the reality that Bobby Thompson sucked after age 29 and Fred can't make him into a star in his 30s.

Rain King · 09-23-2020, 10:16 PM

fredbeene's issue is irrelevant to this. He's for some reason mad that the game no longer displays the potential ratings for players over 30 and instead switches to make them equal to current ratings. It is a weird crusade.

For the OP issue, I think we need to know more about how you are going about importing every player and I'm not sure that what you are looking for is possible within one game (Matt or another developer would probably need to weight further in on that).

What you likely would need to do is import each year in history separately into the same era settings and export that data and combine everything outside of the game. Each game is going normalize ratings on a scale to get a balance so having every great slugger in a game is going effectively push down their relative power ratings.

chucksabr · 09-29-2020, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain King

fredbeene's issue is irrelevant to this. He's for some reason mad that the game no longer displays the potential ratings for players over 30 and instead switches to make them equal to current ratings. It is a weird crusade.

For the OP issue, I think we need to know more about how you are going about importing every player and I'm not sure that what you are looking for is possible within one game (Matt or another developer would probably need to weight further in on that).

What you likely would need to do is import each year in history separately into the same era settings and export that data and combine everything outside of the game. Each game is going normalize ratings on a scale to get a balance so having every great slugger in a game is going effectively push down their relative power ratings.

Well, that's more than I want to do ...

I guess the bottom line is I can't get what I'm looking for, and that's the way the game is designed.

Brad K · 09-29-2020, 07:58 PM

If you want a player's peak performance, import them at the beginning of their peak years. But you can't play season after season with their skill static.

chucksabr · 09-30-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

If you want a player's peak performance, import them at the beginning of their peak years. But you can't play season after season with their skill static.

Sounds good. Is it possible to do that all at once?

Brad K · 09-30-2020, 07:49 PM

No. Unless you want to write a program to do it.

09-22-2020, 05:56 PM	#1
chucksabr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: In the canyons of your mind Posts: 3,194	Real Ratings for All Historical Players: How Do I Find Them? I am interested in finding the "real" overall and talent ratings for every player in history who's tracked within OOTP. So I created a historical game just so I could download the CSVs and review the ratings for every batter and pitcher. I am not going to play the actual game itself. However, I'm not getting what I'm looking for. Good example: Babe Ruth. I created a game set in 2019 that imported every historical player. After the game was all set up and I downloaded the CSVs, I opened the batters file and went straight to Babe Ruth, to make sure the ratings were reasonable. I expect Babe Ruth to have something close to 255 power potential. The overall (current) ratings for him were cruddy, which I expected because he's 124 years old and ... uh ... dead. But when I went to his talent (potential) ratings, his power was listed as 37. In fact, the power ratings for all retired hitters was 37. Obviously not what I was looking for. So I started a second historical game and tried to tweak settings along the way. I switched one setting from "re-calculating ratings" to "talent and development engine", hoping that that untethering ratings from the year 2019 might help. It did a little, but when I went to Babe Ruth's potential ratings, his power was listed as 100 which was, again, basically the same as just about every other retired hitter. In the meantime, there are several current players listed as having 550 power potential. I am obviously not getting what I am hoping for, which is ratings for players relative to their ability through history. Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig should be at the top of the potential power list; Frank Zupo and Bob Zupcic should be toward the bottom. They should not all be 100, yet in this new historical game they are. I hope I have explained this well enough—can anyone help guide me to what I am looking for? __________________ The (English) Baseball League (est. 1888): A History The 1932 Season is Underway Dynasty Mission \| Creation Story \| Subscribe 1888 1889 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 (Great War Hiatus) 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 The OOTP Interview about the Baseball League

09-22-2020, 11:24 PM	#2
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,668	for reasons i don't agree with, potential does not work with players over 30....

09-23-2020, 10:22 AM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,230	There is no single value. Depending on the exact league setup you do, which options you choose, what year you start, etc... the values will change.

09-23-2020, 10:16 PM	#6
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,323	fredbeene's issue is irrelevant to this. He's for some reason mad that the game no longer displays the potential ratings for players over 30 and instead switches to make them equal to current ratings. It is a weird crusade. For the OP issue, I think we need to know more about how you are going about importing every player and I'm not sure that what you are looking for is possible within one game (Matt or another developer would probably need to weight further in on that). What you likely would need to do is import each year in history separately into the same era settings and export that data and combine everything outside of the game. Each game is going normalize ratings on a scale to get a balance so having every great slugger in a game is going effectively push down their relative power ratings.

09-29-2020, 07:58 PM	#8
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	If you want a player's peak performance, import them at the beginning of their peak years. But you can't play season after season with their skill static.

09-30-2020, 07:49 PM	#10
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	No. Unless you want to write a program to do it.