Would you ever pull a tiring starter on a no hitter in the World Series?

[lencombs]

Game 5 of Series tied at 2 games a piece. My 18 game winner ace has pitched 6 innings without a hit, and has a 2 run lead.

He is a low stamina starter with 53 rating and his visual fatigue meter shows in yellow with 76 pitches thrown. There are 3 above average fireball relievers ready in the pen at any time. How long do you leave him out there?

I would go to the bullpen if he had allowed a hit but now I have to let him chase history until at least 1 hitter gets on and hope against a bloop and a blast.

[lencombs]

Update: *Narrator voice* Indeed there was a "bloop and a blast"

He gave up an infield single, I went to the pen and gave up a Homer chasing a No No, but had to do it in the Series. .

[CBeisbol]

I'd go to the bullpen now

He's unlikely to finish the game.
The no-hitter is more likely if you use the bullpen

Winning the series is the bigger goal

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by lencombs

Update: *Narrator voice* Indeed there was a "bloop and a blast"

He gave up an infield single, I went to the pen and gave up a Homer chasing a No No, but had to do it in the Series. .

It can be hard to shake your Demons

[sdw1000]

That's not tired. It's tired when it's in the red. Especially with a no hitter going..

[lencombs]

Originally Posted by sdw1000

That's not tired. It's tired when it's in the red. Especially with a no hitter going..

This team has a great bullpen and depth so I normally manage with a shorter hook. I'd rather pull them a little too early than too late.

[Reed]

I agree with sdw. I think we tend to put our emphasis on this graph but a real manager wouldn't have this available.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Reed

I agree with sdw. I think we tend to put our emphasis on this graph but a real manager wouldn't have this available.

A real manager has way more info.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by lencombs

This team has a great bullpen and depth so I normally manage with a shorter hook. I'd rather pull them a little too early than too late.

This

You said you had 3 excellent relievers
Then six from the starter is perfect

[Matt Arnold]

I'd give them a chance to finish it if they were close. But he needs 3 more innings, so even 15 pitches apiece you're talking about 110+ got the game, which I have to think is a stretch.

I would probably have done it the same way - he's in until he gives up a runner, and then into the bullpen. If he gets lucky with an 8 pitch inning or something, then I maybe start thinking a little closer. But in the end, I want to win, and pretty sure he would as well, even if it meant missing out on the no-hitter.

[CBeisbol]

What happened in the game?

And the series?

[Hoiles]

Originally Posted by lencombs

This team has a great bullpen and depth so I normally manage with a shorter hook. I'd rather pull them a little too early than too late.

Like AJ Hinch

In the World Series the win takes precedence. That said, he was cruising along and still had some juice (in the yellow). Maybe you could have just kept him in to finish the inning as it was an unlucky infield hit, but that's in hindsight.

[thehef]

Not a World Series, but this reminds of Ross Stripling's first big-league appearance, early in the 2016 season. Having had T-John surgery two years prior, he was on a pitch count.

So he enters the 8th inning with a no-hitter going, the Dodgers up 2-0 (over the hated Giants in SF), and is pretty much at his pitch count limit. He retires the first batter and then gives up a walk. Dave Roberts then removes him and brings in Chris Hatcher, who promptly serves up a game-tying dinger... Giants later win, 3-2, when Brandon Crawford leads off the bottom of the ninth with a homer off of Joe Blanton.

Dodger fans were livid with Dave Roberts for a) taking away the kid's chance at a no-hitter in his first big league game, and b) that decision leading to a loss. Of course, at this point in time, Dodger fans had yet to witness Dave Roberts manage in the postseason, so this was just a preview of things to come...

[Germaniac]

I would have gone to the bullpen, too ... that third win is so important and with a day-off coming up the relievers should all be rested for Game 6 and a possible Game 7

[jeffw3000]

In the regular season I would leave him out there until someone got on, but in the World Series I would have to take him out. You are already chasing history by trying to win the series, and that is the ultimate goal.

[ThePride87]

You can always get a no-hitter down the road in the reg season, you can't always win a World Series. I have no idea why anyone would fret over a statistic....if my starter is getting tired and/or losing his grip on a close WS game, you bet your arse I'm pulling him for the bullpen. Win the game.

If we're talking a 10-0 game, sure, go for it. But 2-0? Not the time to get cute, if he blows the game and you end up losing the title, you're going to feel terrible.

[ALB123]

How the heck did I miss this thread? I love these types of discussions.

I know I'm way late but... I think CBeisbol was spot on. This is the World Series. There are no takesie-backsies if he gives up a walk and then a ding-dong. I'm assuming he's either your #1 or #2 based on the 18 wins. You do not want to give away a game when those guys are/were on the mound.

So, what ended up happening with the remainder of the World Series? Did you win this Game 5?

[lencombs]

Originally Posted by ALB123

How the heck did I miss this thread? I love these types of discussions.

I know I'm way late but... I think CBeisbol was spot on. This is the World Series. There are no takesie-backsies if he gives up a walk and then a ding-dong. I'm assuming he's either your #1 or #2 based on the 18 wins. You do not want to give away a game when those guys are/were on the mound.

So, what ended up happening with the remainder of the World Series? Did you win this Game 5?

I don't know if I ever did update. I happened to save the game replay so can post couple screenshots.

Pic1 Yes he was my Ace started game 1 and game 5. I left him in to start the 7th and he got the 1st out, and the 2nd out was deep in the infield and second baseman didn't risk a throw. .

Pic 2 I pulled him and went to my bullpen with a runner on first. There was a strikeout and stolen base and then a 2 out blast that tied the game. Ugh, of course there was lol.

Pic 3 The game went into extras and my Closer walked in the winning run and we lose game 5 and go down 2 games to 3. The same guy that broke up the no hitter drew the game winning Walk.

Pic-4 We luckily Win game 6 and then game 7 by a score of 5-4

Almost cost us the Series chasing a No hitter as I would have normally gone to the pen to start the 7th. I'd chase it again though because how many times will I have the chance for a World Series No Hitter. I know he was still 8 outs away but crazier stuff has happened. In general, if my starter hasn't been hit yet I leave him in until someone does with at least a 2 run cushion, maybe not 1 run. Probably not the best tactic metrics wise, but I like letting them go for it.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Depends on how much of a lead I have. Ten runs? Leave him in until he gives up a hit. Five runs? Probably leave him in, unless he gets walky or otherwise allows a couple baserunners. One run? Probably gonna take him out as soon as he gets in the "red zone", maybe even sooner if he walks a couple guys. In the situation your guy was in, I probably would have taken him out after he let a guy on base.

[Reed]

Last night would you all have taken Giolito out in the 7th after giving up the single???